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Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser
I noticed how sly you were at avoiding my question, so I'll ask you again:
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My answer was, to the best of my ability, and attempt to correct your misunderstanding of my position. Under such correction, you're welcome to ask your question in a way that actually applies to my comments. In the spirit of participation, though...
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Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser
I'd like to know how you came to the conclusion that this is the message that they're trying to convey to their children. It seems to be, at best, a blatant misrepresentation of the actual purpose/intent of such ceremonies.
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I haven't come to the conclusion that this is what they're
trying to convey to their children. Can't very well tell you
how to come to that conclusion, having not come to it.
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I hate to break it to you, but the conclusions of outsiders looking in aren't always accurate.
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I hate to break it to you, but the conclusions of insiders looking out aren't always accurate, either. Or of former insiders looking back in. Or of former outsiders looking out. We've got a rather broad cross-section of folks looking at this and going "That's kinda creepy.", though... but who knows, maybe we're all wrong in our collected experience of human nature and Jesus will guide these folks through.
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Until you have some type of statistical evidence which proves that these girls are worse off than their non-pledging counters-- Or even testimonies from the girls themselves which show that they suffer mentally, physically and emotionally as a result of these rituals-- Then the only thing you have to work with is baseless assumptions. That's the bottom line.
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Considering than the link that started this has already pointed out that 88% of these girls will turn out to be faithless whores, anyway, who cares what happens to them?
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Why should they re-examine their parenting policies? Because you don't like them? How about not?
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They should re-examine their parenting policies because the criticism they have received provides previously unconsidered information that may lead to different conclusions about their current policies. Having made such re-examination, they may continue with with policy unchanged, adapt to counter the previously unaccounted for information, or completely reconsider their current course.
I, of course, am infallible on the subject of child-rearing, and will brook no argument on the subject. If I tell a parent to change their ways, they had better... or else they're permanently damaging their child's future mental health.
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I have to ask... If the roles were reversed and the rituals strictly mother-son, do you believe that as many people would care? I'd be willing to bet that they wouldn't. It's been proven that good father/daughter relationships drastically decrease destructive behavior in women, and I believe that's what these parents are trying to accomplish. We'll all need to wait a few years to see how these girls turn out compared to their counterparts. Until then, it's useless trying to tell someone else that they're doing the wrong thing.
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I know all about those girls with poor father/daughter relationships. Engaging in all manner of shocking hooligannery! Expressing opinions, writing fiction, wearing pants! And you should see the poor manner in which they keep house! You just try saying "Iron my shirt woman and bring me a sammich." and see the destructive behaviour begin. Truly a regrettable state. If only they'd had a better father/daughter relationship... then they'd know their place.
