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Old 03-27-2007, 01:11 PM   #28 (permalink)
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At the risk of a major threadjack:

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You don't know why Castro is important when someone is figuring out who was responsible for the Cuban Missile Crisis? Seriously?
Castro was roundly ignored by both the Soviets and Americans. He had no capability to launch missles, nor was it ever assumed that he could since it was evident from the pictures that Soviet personnel were manning them. The Soviets moved medium-range missles onto Cuba in direct response to the US posting long-range bombers in Turkey, along with continued violations of Soviet airspace by U-2 flights. Perhaps we should start a separate thread where you can explain to me why Castro was anything other than an important pawn in a Soviet/American crisis.

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I'm 23. I never met the Soviets. I'd say that the fall could be attributed to tons of different things, but Bush was a big part by being a part of those who demanded the wall come down. I believe (not sure) that was a campaign promise, so I'd say that the voters can share some of the responsibility.
Sorry, people confusing Soviets and Russians is a pet peeve of mine and I should have made that clearer. For the record, Stalin was a Soviet, not a Russian. Khrushchev was a Ukrainian, not a Russian. Etc. Etc.

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Nothing, but we don't vote for NASA, and also Johnson may have said no.
But Johnson didn't say no, and Niel Armstrong made one giant leap for mankind. And there we are. It's one of the major exploration triumphs of all time, and POTUS had little or nothing to do with it. It happened under his watch as a part of his administration, but he's not responsible. Nor was he responsible for Grissom et al dieing in a fire on Apollo 1. Nor were my parent responsible for voting for him.

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I wonder what made them think that Bush would do anything for them? Unless they were voting for a president who would enjoy vacations and ignore intel.
Perfect vacuum, will, perfect vacuum. I agree with you, but you're trying to hold people responsible for things that they just aren't responsible for. They did vote for him because they liked him more than Kerry and/or thought he would do a better job.

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The mayor's personal life has nothing to do with his professional life, just like Clinton. Shit, both of them managed to do a lot of good. People just decided it was the world's business if they were getting some on the side. They probably love their soaps. As for Ray Blanton, members of his staff were found guilty, not Ray Blanton. We didn't vote for his staff.
Don't confuse the fact that Ray Blanton wasn't charged with the fact that he didn't do anything wrong. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that he took the bribes and knew what was going on. Lamar Alexander was put in office several days early to stop the hemoraging. Ray was convicted of selling liquor licenses illegally while in office. If you ever want a great read about the end of a political machine, read TENNPAR by the FBI agent that went after Ray. He's convinced that Ray knew exactly what was going on. Up until his own conviction, Jake Butcher screamed from the rooftops that Ray was the crookedest politician there'd ever been in the state, which is saying something considering that Jake would be included in that statement.

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Because he broke the law several times, THEN he ran again and got elected. Fool me once.....um....shame on you....you....um.....you're not going to fool me again!
So, to coopt ubertuber's statement, you're saying that a sizeable minority of the American public belongs in jail because they're responsible for the illegal acts of their elected officials?
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