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Originally Posted by host
BOR and The_Jazz ....if you are not where willravel and I are, as far as your reactions to a US president who has committed crimes against humanity and against the constitution....i.e. against us....against our rights and protections, under the law....what would have to happen....what greater degree of offenses would a POTUS have to commit to draw a similar reaction to ours....from either of you?
Do you not see, the if the law can be altered....abused.....distorted....broken....to do it to one person....or to break the sovereign protections of another country, without provocation....then you , or another country, other than Iraq....could be next?
Your comparisons of oral sex and voting for Rahm Emanuel, when compared to our reaction to the capital crimes....the treason of Mr. Bush, and his regime, are....frankly...revealing in that you have no grasp of what the description in the OP is relating to all of us....or is insulting....and it can reasonably be described, IMO....as enabling where we are descending to, as a people protected by a constitution that used to grant to government, only what was clearly specified....in a nation that once stood resolutely against pre-emptive, i.e, aggressive war, and torture.....
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Two words - personal. responsibility. I'm responsible for my actions, not that of my government. Never have been. Never will be.
I think that I have a good grasp on the OP, and if I came off as insulting I apolgize for my inadvertent error. Humor and the internet don't always mix.
Wait, what did I just do? Take responsibility for my own actions? I fulfill my civic responsibilities by voting, serving on juries, etc., but blaming everyone who voted Republican in 2004 for the torture that followed is like blaming those who voted for Clinton for lieing about getting a blowjob. They're both lies, host. The only difference is the subject and the degrees. You can't have it both ways.
Personally, I think that we're all arguing vehemintly about a throw-away line at the end of will's post that was out of sync with the rest of his post.
This thread is starting to go south quickly. I suggest that everyone take a deep breath and remember to be nice.