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Old 03-26-2007, 09:29 AM   #14 (permalink)
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This objection has also been made to the original ontological argument. Sounds very much like Gaunilo's island—that is, the idea that one could conceive of a perfect island, or any given x such that it "must necessarily exist." However, the concept of a truly perfect anything other than God misunderstands the nature of perfection. With the notion of Divine Simplicity, there can be no variation in true perfection. Thus, the truly perfect island, (or chip, or table, or "Double Stuf" Oreo cookie, ), ultimately reduces to God. The more and more you maximize its perfection, the closer you bring that conception to God.
But, as I said before, 'perfection' is subjective and relative no matter what because we are imperfect ourselves and because we have different perceptions of the manifestation of perfection. God is not by definition perfect to everyone. In my opinion, for example, the Judeo-Christian god was wrong to test Job the way he did. Because of that and other similar tales of immorality in the Torah, I find that god is imperfect. As such, the idea that as a concept becomes more perfect it approaches god would be flawed in my perception. As a matter of fact, as the potato chip is not immoral, as god becomes more like the chip he becomes more perfect, by my perception. Ultimately, one has to conclude that since perfection is subjective, as a universal term in axiom it is flawed.
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Although...if by my thought I could conjure up the Platonic form of the potato chip, I could really have some fun...
On that we can wholeheartedly agree.
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