Originally Posted by roachboy

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if you are serious, you need to shift into trying to understand how the system itself operates--you know, capitalism. in its present form. which is the beast that is the "natural order" of things. and it is that order for which the oligarchy stands, regardless of the various phases of internal turbulence. like this one, the one that has you in a twist.
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without some understanding of the system--the mode of production in marx-speak--and of the position that the political order we endure and maybe lives under occupies within that order--you can't say anything different. and claims rooted in attempts to think about that order itself are exactly the kind of claim that, in other contexts, you have attempted to rule out of discussion.