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roachboy · 03-21-2007, 09:15 AM

i dont follow your argument, pan.

1. how do you manage to see in congressional actions--subpoenas for example, which were approved by the house judiciary subcommittee this morning--how are these actions the problem?
i would argue that the source of the present tempest is squarely the administration. the politically motivated elimination of prosecutors is the occasion--but the real issue is the extent to which this administration is committed to a maximal understanding of executive power--and the sub-issue is the previous congress that, because controlled by the right, went along with this understanding--so at bottom, the source of this problem is the administration's legal philosophy, the administration's inability to make separations between its legal claims and its political objectives, the contempt for the legislative that this position is shot through with, etc.

if this becomes a court fight, the responsibility for that also lay entirely with the administration--and it follows in a straight line from their position on executive power--as does the administration's expansive view of executive privelege, which is the other issue at play in this fight.

so i dont see your reasoning: how do you manage to blame congress for this?

if on the other hand, what you are really saying is that the administration really should be removed from power, then i'd tend to agree with you in principle, even as short of revolt there is no way to remove them. such is the nature of american "democracy" and its let-the-rabble-be-free-once-every-4-years m.o.

but i dont think you are saying that. i think that all you are looking at is the likelihood of a court fight and you are blaming congress for it.

2. i understand even less you call to action. what exactly would you have folk do--and by that i mean the folk here, the ones who read your call to action--you know, the participants in a messageboard community--what exactly are you calling for from us?

3. i also dont understand how using the word fuck alot means that the content of a given thread contains "adult sentiments" but that's probably a matter of personal style more than anything else.

03-21-2007, 09:15 AM	#16 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	i dont follow your argument, pan. 1. how do you manage to see in congressional actions--subpoenas for example, which were approved by the house judiciary subcommittee this morning--how are these actions the problem? i would argue that the source of the present tempest is squarely the administration. the politically motivated elimination of prosecutors is the occasion--but the real issue is the extent to which this administration is committed to a maximal understanding of executive power--and the sub-issue is the previous congress that, because controlled by the right, went along with this understanding--so at bottom, the source of this problem is the administration's legal philosophy, the administration's inability to make separations between its legal claims and its political objectives, the contempt for the legislative that this position is shot through with, etc. if this becomes a court fight, the responsibility for that also lay entirely with the administration--and it follows in a straight line from their position on executive power--as does the administration's expansive view of executive privelege, which is the other issue at play in this fight. so i dont see your reasoning: how do you manage to blame congress for this? if on the other hand, what you are really saying is that the administration really should be removed from power, then i'd tend to agree with you in principle, even as short of revolt there is no way to remove them. such is the nature of american "democracy" and its let-the-rabble-be-free-once-every-4-years m.o. but i dont think you are saying that. i think that all you are looking at is the likelihood of a court fight and you are blaming congress for it. 2. i understand even less you call to action. what exactly would you have folk do--and by that i mean the folk here, the ones who read your call to action--you know, the participants in a messageboard community--what exactly are you calling for from us? 3. i also dont understand how using the word fuck alot means that the content of a given thread contains "adult sentiments" but that's probably a matter of personal style more than anything else. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite