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yeah roach,
but that presupposes, even if its devil's advocate style for the sake of argument, that the primary function of current torture techniques is to gain information. i have to assume that the military shrinks are as competent as any, on average; therefore i have to deduce that they are not, in fact, after information. i can only surmise that they seek to humiliate and instill fear into our adversaries. perhaps develop scapegoats for the public eye whilst our military covertly operates on other premises and angles. i can not believe that the people who are actually working the various policies being enacted actually think this bullshit works. i don't like it, but i do think that its as much "hey - we're as badass and coldhearted as you fuckers are. our citizens may live nice little kotex padded lives, but our guardians are real fuckers." as anything else.
even that i could deal with on a certain level, as it would open the door for useful discussion and debate that is based in reality. the fantasy debates are just tedious.
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