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Old 03-19-2007, 02:07 AM   #68 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by KnifeMissile
Do you know what a false dichotomy is?
Yes, I know what I false dichotomy is which is why I included option #4.

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Your argument makes some dubious assumptions. For instance, I don't like quoting Einstein but I do like this quote: "Did God have a choice in creating the universe?" You're assuming that those physical constants can vary; that they could have been anything but we don't know that.
Science makes hundreds of assumptions, few of which I see you question. Say what you will, but I don't assume God exists; I know he exists. Getting slightly off-topic, but I personally believe that everyone knows God exists. However, I think it's easier for people to believe that there's a logical explanation for everything as we like the known for fear the unknown.

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Another assumption that this argument makes is that there's something special about its current state to attribute to God. Obviously, we're partial to life, as we know it, but that's just us being egocentric. Oh my God, look at us! We're so special that the entire Universe must have contrived itself to make us possible! Therefore, there is a god...
If I ask you what created the universe if God didn't, you'll readily admit to not knowing but adamantly claim that it's not God. You'll argue that there isn't a God based on the assumption that tomorrow we might know more than we know today. I believe God to not only be the creator of the universe but unexplainable. The fact that you can't rationalize the creation of the universe only serves to strengthen my belief.

Oh, and Occam's Razor. Most of the explanations regarding the creation of the universe are much, much, much, much more complex and implausible than the existence of a divine creator.

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I don't understand why you think "nothing happens by accident." Unless you believe in fate, a lot of things happen by accident...
Let's look at the odds of life occurring in this universe. The probability of such an occurrence happening "By accident" is something like one over a million to the millionth power. Things only happen "By accident" when you deny the existence of God

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...Are you assuming some sort of conservation of life probability across the various universes?
I suppose that wasn't worded as well as I wanted it to be. This is taken from Wiki:

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Measures of fine-tuning are meaningless.

The principle observational support for the multiverse hypothesis comes from the Anthropic Principle: the universe we observe is bio-friendly, or we would not be observing it. While this is a truism, when the sensitivity of biology to the form of the laws of physics and the cosmological initial conditions is considered, it has some apparent credence; but on the other hand, many key parameters of physics do not seem to be very strongly constrained by biology.

Another criticism of the fine-tuning argument is that, as far as we know, there could be a more fundamental law under which the parameters of physics must have the values they do: that the values of the various physical constants aren't really "tunable" and thus couldn't have been "set" to anything other than the values we find any more than the ratio of a circle's diameter to its circumference could be anything other than π. Thus, given such a law, it is not improbable that the known parameters of physics fall within the life-permitting range.
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