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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Changing the paramaters from this "Can you name another country that has done more to combat terrorism, BEFORE 9/11 than the United States?" because you don't like our answers? I mean you posted before stating that "maybe Israel" but you never stated it quite like you did about "when it's not directly against your own country."
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You can think that if you want, but its not a very good arguement obviously you didn't follow this thread.
I thought it was quite obvious I wasn't talking about rogue sectors within your own country. That may be terrorism, but hardly has anything to do with the terrorism we were discussing. Like I said, that is policing your own country.
I spoke of Israel because that actually IS a part of the kind of terrorism I am speaking about, seeing as how there are how many people outside, that do not agree with israel on this or that or whatever, that want to destroy it... through terrorism.
The difference? You can ignore terrorism to a large extent when it's not in YOUR country, When it's your own citizens, you cannot ignore that.
So judging a country by saying "Oh they fought terrorism so hard" when the violence and such was from their own citizenship. Makes no sense, They HAD to do that, you can't exactly ignore that kind of terrorism.
However look at such terrorism that happens throughout much of the world everyday, largely ignored, shoved under the rug. Calling the terrorist who pulled it off a 'lonewolf' not acting on behalf of an organization. Or saying it's a fluke. Largely ignored and cast aside.
Smooth, as I see it, the main point you're trying to make is the US has never done anything to stop terrorism that doesn't enhance our situation or given us personal gain.
Like you said, anyone would be hard press to find a single government anywhere in the world who has done something like that.
Saying it like that is much too literal, obviously there will be gain for any government to put action into anything. What I'm talking about is when a government will put action into something for the betterment of others, When it would be much easier to simply ignore that it is happening.
One example of good intentions post 9/11 was to remove hussein from office. Though the foul up of the following war is awful and not what was expected. We stopped a terrorist who was destroying his own citizens. Things will often not happen exactly to plan obviously either, and yes there was benefit for the US in this. But do you think there was more benefit for the US? Or for the Kurds who are alive today and not gassed/bombed/executed? Whatever we gained, their lives I'm sure are worth more in the true light of thigns.
An example of pre-9/11 is the amazing amount of work we put into the Koreas when that was easily ignorable and the return we receive for trying to stop that violence and terrorism going both ways between the countries, is as near nothing as it's going to get for any country.