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I don't really see the problem here. I understand that you're frustrated pan, but if this is the an internet bulletin board thingy (and i think it is) and if both roach and host (and i think i can probably throw smooth in there as well) feel that one of the problems with political discussion is that we aren't asking the correct questions - why would you want to stifle that viewpoint? i have to agree with smooth here; it seems that you are internalizing their comments and pretty blatantly trying to shut down that mode of conversation.
and host, i don't think its too late. i do think it will likely have to get much worse before we reach critical mass, and the solution may not be such that america emerges with its current standard of living.
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