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pan,
did you think those statements about no debate and no discussion related to you and him? or participants in this thread?
because I read them as a conclusion to his point why nothing is resolved in Congress, for example. That mambers of the two main political parties are unable to debate or discuss things rationally because they are locked in a particular paradigm--namely, that the order of business as it stands today is a natural product of human interaction...so it's hard for them to think of the system as a system and to therefore difficult to discuss the system itself.
as far as I can he was trying to engage with you why he sees people speak past one another other than the fact that they just hate each other. that inability to see one another's point is a function of systems, not a function of personality clashes.
I don't know how his post got converted in your read of it into a position that you and he are unable to sit down and discuss ideas together outside that complex of systems that inform all of our thought processess...
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