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Originally Posted by smooth
what are you talking about?
and how did you possibly read roachboy's post to "blame the Right?"
if anything, roachboy argued that CAPITALISM creates economic injustice and that NEITHER party can get past the idea that capitalism and the structural problems it brings are part of the natural order of things.
it's that kind of interpretation that makes my eyes boog out when I read your responses and wonder how you consider yourself liberal or even moderate. it seems the level of critique you offer isn't anything other than baseless, everyone hates everyone else comments and that's all there is to it according to your analysis. even if it were true, it's tedious to read it in every thread and damn near every post.
EDIT: and I had to go back and reread how we even got to here from there and I find it bizarre, to say the least, that not a few posts of roachboy's back you actually congratulated him on engaging in a discussion with you. and his posts seemed to me to be in response to your questions...so I'm confused as to why you would then turn around and use these same responses as a negative example of what you were trying to show in the beginning of this thread.
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You are absolutely right, he offered up debate to the point. Never once did he say:
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Originally Posted by roachboy
and there is no debate. there is no discussion. there are no adjustments. there are no options. there IS avoidance. and this primarily because the spectrum of political positions that the americans confuse with a viable range of alternatives simply doesnt allow for this kind of issue to be addressed coherently.
so i dunno.
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Sounds like someone willing to work with others to find a viable solution. You're right, what was I thinking?
I did compliment him. He seemed focussed and willing to talk about trying to find positive answers and at least converse the matter with open mind..... until.
Then Host jumps in and we're debating Capitalism..... but what about my discussion on bringing in positive solutions?
I forgot they were answered with open mind here .... again I quote:
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Originally Posted by roachboy
and there is no debate. there is no discussion. there are no adjustments. there are no options. there IS avoidance. and this primarily because the spectrum of political positions that the americans confuse with a viable range of alternatives simply doesnt allow for this kind of issue to be addressed coherently.
so i dunno.
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So in the end, he gets his way. Those that want to work for a positive solution are told there cannot be one.... no debate necessary, people aren't smart enough.... people get confused too easily.... but Roachboy has all the answers he tells us right here:
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Originally Posted by roachboy
and there is no debate. there is no discussion. there are no adjustments. there are no options. there IS avoidance. and this primarily because the spectrum of political positions that the americans confuse with a viable range of alternatives simply doesnt allow for this kind of issue to be addressed coherently.
so i dunno.
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what I had to say was not worth the time.... but let's talk about Capitalism and how the Right want to destroy everything, turn everything private.... the Left is useless and again.... Debate???? Yeah right.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
and there is no debate. there is no discussion. there are no adjustments. there are no options. there IS avoidance. and this primarily because the spectrum of political positions that the americans confuse with a viable range of alternatives simply doesnt allow for this kind of issue to be addressed coherently.
so i dunno.
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And yes, I am pretty liberal socially, moderate to a degree fiscally (I believe in cutting waste and abuse but not programs. And I believe the other side wants the same... it's all a matter of compromise and working TOGETHER to find viable solutions. But that must be too boring.... let's turn the thread into a bash against Capitalism. Why? Because Roachboy tells us right here that:
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Originally Posted by roachboy
and there is no debate. there is no discussion. there are no adjustments. there are no options. there IS avoidance. and this primarily because the spectrum of political positions that the americans confuse with a viable range of alternatives simply doesnt allow for this kind of issue to be addressed coherently.
so i dunno
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But I'm the negative one.
OK........