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Originally Posted by dc_dux
The fact that the investigation was initiated by the CIA and expanded by the Dept of Justice would be a pretty strong indication that it was not politically motivated, but motivated out of a concern for security.
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The logic here is flawed.
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And the fact that Wilson was a 20+ year career diplomat, under both Bush 41 and Clinton, having served in both Iraq (during the first Gulf war, which he supported) and more recently in Africa, would seem to indicate he had a reasonable level of expertise on both Iraq capabilities and the availability of nuclear materials in Niger.
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The logic here is flawed also.
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Again the political motivation was the retribution by the White House against someone who presented reliable information that challenged the White House "war speak."
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True, the response from the Bush administration was politically motivated. The Bush administration wanted political and public support for the war.
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The highest officials in the White House using classified information to make Wilson "look like a flunky" and then a top subordinate lied about it to cover it up....what could be more political than that?
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Was Libby responsible for the original leak? If not why did he "lie"?
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But we've been over this again and again and some will continue to challenge what they dont want to accept...so whats the point of going another round?
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What am I not accepting?
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This gets to the heart of the issue in host's most recent thread. There is no conspiracy here to mock or "gang rape" (a crude analogy IMO) the opinions of the smaller number Bush supporters who believe the investigation and trial was politically motivated. But for a discussion and debate to have any value, opinions should be supported.
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Other than the use of flawed logic, what is the support for your opinion?
I get it - Just because the Justice Dept....therefore it can't be... argument. I will have to remember that when the next Democratic Party administration is taken through the ringer for political reasons.
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If you think it was politically motivated, offer something (anything!) to back it up. What was the poitical motivation of the CIA to initiate the investigation?
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Perhaps they had no choice. Perhaps they were asked. Do you know the reason? Are you speculating? Are you speculating that the investigation by the CIA was not politically motivated? Did they know Plames undercover status? What were thaey actually investigating? So many questions. Perhaps I should start an investigation, care to fund it?
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What was the political motivation of Ashcroft (the AG at the time) to expand the investigation and appoint Fitzgerald?
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Perhaps, he was not aware of what Chaney was up to. Perhaps Ashcroft was doing his job, and not actually politically motivated. Perhaps, the expanding of the investigation was part of a larger politically motivated plan.
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What was Fitzgerald's political motivation (as a prosecutor who had investigated both Dem and Repub officials in IL)?
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Fitzgerald has been known to politically grandstand for his career.
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Why was Wilson's report politically motivated rather than an objective finding of facts?
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There is a difference between the report and what happened after the report. I think his report proved to be accurate.
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Anything! If not, dont bitch about being criticized. It is not a personal attack....it is a plea for a more substantial discussion.
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I thought I was being ignored.
My first post in this thread was pretty much immaterial. My conclusion is that no one here has really taken the time to either read all the testimony and investigation reports or has thoroughly reviewed or even knows all the facts. I admitted that from the begining. I am the only one who has. We will never know the true motivation of any of the parties involved, there is no objective measure to prove someone's motivation. The support you look for would simply be opinion, no matter who writes it.
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Originally Posted by Rekna
ace I love how you put politics before security in this case. You say what the administration did was fine because they were just playing good politics but ignore any issue of national security that comes as a result of it. Ace I think you are being blinded by your own partisanship.
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You use words that I don't. Why?
I did not say what they did was "fine".
I did not say it was "good" politics.
My initial support of the war had nothing to do with yellow cake in Africa.
I argue that I am not blind, in fact I argue the opposit. I call them like I see them. I know Bush and his team can be politically motivated, but heaven help me if I suggest the opponets of Bush might be politically motivated. I ask who is really blinded? Who is really lost in the fog?