You know, I always hated the copout that statistics were meaningless because they could be manipulated to support anything, but this right here is the perfect example. On the one hand, we've got the crime rate in OK going down after the concealed carry law passed. Is that due to causes beyond (but possibly including) the law? Most probably. On the other, we've got Canada, with stricter gun laws, having a lower per capita violent crime rate than the US. Is that rate due entirely to those laws? Almost certainly not. Both sides need to admit that guns are neither the cause of, nor solution to crime. Gun owners, you like your guns and your right to own one. We gun control advocates, we don't understand that. I think we've effectively hit the wall of core beliefs. I'm bowing out of this one. But seretogis, you still aren't making any sense to me.
