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Originally Posted by filtherton
.....This admin is doing more for veterans? How so? By ensuring that they are being senselessly maimed and killed? By placing a higher priority on saving political face than saving veteran's lives? Interesting. <b>Did you mean that this admin is doing more to fill up the VA centers than "slick willie" did? As far as i could tell 3000+ veterans didn't die because of a gross miscalculation on the part of "slick willie". You'd think a veteran would favor a president who has a little restraint with the military,</b> as opposed to the one we have now, who could seemingly care less.
It's nice that you don't have to wait three months, some folks still do.
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....I can predict that the troops themselves, in significant numbers, will respond to your (IMO....) perfectly reasonable observation above, with the response that you are "insulting" their judgment.....they volunteered "for this", they "knew what they were getting into".....your comments are "insulting"....it is about "honor".....and, you are the one who must apologize to them....not Mr. Bush, who sent them to Iraq, or Mr. Rumsfeld, who opted to use a machine to affix his "signature" on condolence letters to their families. "Support the Troops" means respecting their "service", and the "orders" of their CIC, unquestioningly, just as they do. GOT IT?
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Originally Posted by roachboy
......since i live here too and am not at all optimistic about the ability of the present system to be coherent about changing its organization--when it is clear that ideologically at least, it cannot even be clear about what is entailed by the reality is operates within now--i am concerned about the consequences of an american defeat as well.
but if i had to say what i wanted--what follows from my political position logically--i would have to say that the existing system must change and if the only way to engender that change lay across defeat in raq then so be it. the problems are structural and require structural change. the present "american way of life" is among the most significant obstacles to it. so maybe that has to change as well.
<b>depends what you want, really: if you want a coherent global system in which the maximum number of people have better lives, the only way to that system would be through the destruction of this one.</b>
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...outrageous leftist statements, roachboy.....if a "liberal media bias" was a reality, I'm sure they'd be all over your "better lives", notion. In a country such at the U.S., with two right wing politcal parties dominating the politics and the discourse, and a mirror image, corporate owned and consolidated media, your notions, your entire post, seems queerly out of place, but nonetheless, "spot on", IMO! Don't mind me, though.....I'm a centrist !