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Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567
it was not known to be an attack. it was a hijacking, not an attack, not until they started crashing into buildings, and then it takes people to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that its an organized attack, not a hijacking gone wrong.
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I think they may have become suspicious that they were under attack when a hijacked plane hit the World Trade Center. After the initial strike, it's safe to assume that everyone had put 1 and 1 together and gotten 2.
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Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567
actually no, they were heading east over the pacific, as per standard operational orders. until the target is declared, they fly over the pacific to not clog the airways over the US. there was 5 minutes between the order to intercept and the plane impacting, the jets headed at there best speed back to new york but did not make it in time.
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Actually, no. The planes were ordered to New York City. You see, NORAD had already been given Flight 11's trajectory and speed, and when NORAD scrambled the F-15s they went to New York City. I have no idea where you're getting the information about the planes flying over the Pacific.
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Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567
no they don't agree with you, you said all 4, i said 2, 2 does not equal 4, there for you were wrong. but i am glad to hear your cockles are warm. and again, you are over simplifying things, tracking a plane based off of one vector, and its a bad idea to try. just the atmospheric effects will make that vector inaccurate after a few minutes, but worse yet, if the plane changed direction, by guessing at its supposed location could have, and would have in 2 instances, lead the fighters way off course. it is silly to assume that a hijacked plane will stay on course. and since there was no perceived danger it was best to wait until all the facts were known.
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No, even if I concede flights 77 and 93 - which I am not doing, I'm still half right...and I'm right about the largest attacks. So you've warmed at least one cockle by your own admission. "Atmospheric conditions" will not render a trajectory inaccurate at all. I'm not a pilot, but I do know several and they have made it clear that while a wind might blow one way or a pocket might drop you, you can get a good idea of where a plane is going based on trajectory and if you combine that with speed, you can =really start to narrow it down. Add to that the fact that Flight 11's actual flight was damned short:
and I think we can figure out what's going on. It's not like the F-15s were flying to Arizona or England. They were headed towards New York (state) at at least 700 mph. Again, they dragged their feet something pretty serious.