View Single Post
Old 02-21-2007, 03:27 PM   #118 (permalink)
asaris
Mad Philosopher
 
asaris's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
Quote:
Originally Posted by willravel
Do you have any specific things to list? Example: weeping statue of the Virgin Mary.
Well, take the Argument from Design. If we found a stopwatch on the beach, we'd presume someone put it there. It exhibits an orderly design we generally don't think happens by accident. But the universe, like a stopwatch, exhibits an orderly design. Therefore, someone must have put it there. Now, you might not think it's a good argument. But it's an argument, and not nonsensical. And you also have the teleological argument, the ontological argument, the argument from evil, the fine tuning argument, and probably others. These all indicate that there are in fact reasons to believe, even if you don't think they are particularly good reasons.

I also think you dismiss too quickly the claim that "Since lots of things cause injustice, Christianity can't be that bad." The conclusion that this leads me to is that injustice, strife, etc. must be a result of us, not our ideologies. If all the contemporary ideologies were eliminated, and people just stuck to science, do you think injustice would end? If not, then how can you claim that injustice is a result of these things? And this argument ignores all the good that Christianity has brought about. If it has contributed to the oppression of women and colonialism, it is also responsible for the rise of the modern liberal state and the end of slavery (not to mention the role it has played in the fight against racism and sexism). If you're going to criticize an ideology for its effects, it's not fair to only consider the bad effects and ignore the good.
__________________
"Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht."

"The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche
asaris is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73