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Old 02-20-2007, 12:48 PM   #80 (permalink)
filtherton
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I feel like i'm pissing into my own bladder.

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A combination of biochemistry and psychology can prove it.
Yes, i'm well aware of your assertions that they can prove it. I just want you to explain specifically how you, or any individual really, could use the technology you're describing to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that person A loves person B. I know it can't be that difficult to understand, because you're not stupid. I think the problem here is that you can't explain it, and you're inability to do so undermines your entire position.

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They are as wrong as anyone can be.
No, they are not as wrong as you. They are making claims that can't be disproven, while you are making claims about things that aren't true(see the love example).

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Whoa whoa whoa, who says the sun isn't sentient? Just because no evidence exists to say the sun isn't sentient doesn't make it so, right? You've fallen into my devious trap. *rubs hands maniacally*
I don't know, maybe we can use a combination of biochemistry and psychology to prove that the sun isn't sentient. Or we could recognize that we understand whole lot of stuff about how the sun works and what it is made of. With that in mind, there doesn't appear to be any sentience, as far as we define it. What we don't understand at all are many of the things that religion attempts to explain.

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A great deal of evidence exists to support theories of the beginning of the universe, such as the big bang. Just because it cannot be proven does not put it in the same category as god. A great deal of evidence supports big bang, no evidence exists to support god.
You think that i don't already know this? When did i ever make a claim to the contrary?

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Archimedes existed. He didn't fly, he didn't turn water into wine, and he didn't come back from the dead. He was a scientist that is credited with various ideas in physics and engineering. Jesus Christ may have existed, but the idea that he was the son of god is baseless.
The evidence of archimedes' existence is as credible as the evidence that jesus existed. Cetainly, the fact that the bible makes fantastic claims about jesus makes the information a tad bit unbelievable, i won't claim that it doesn't.

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It's as likely as Hercules being the son of Zeus or what have you. Do you think that Hercules existed?
I don't know enough about that to claim either way.

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K, so show me.
If you will note the lack of information offered by science concerning why we exist or what happens to us after we die. Really, for someone who claims a solid knowledge of science and religion you sure seem hard pressed to compare and contrast the two beyond one-dimensional posturing.

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Reason is reason. Faith is faith. Never the twain shall meet. I already included the definitions of both words in one of my posts.
So i can't use the definition in the dictionary? Awww shucks! That's an novel way to go about trying to prove you're right. Just redefine words so that they mean only what you want them to mean, and not what they actually mean.

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Theism is the belief in a supreme being or beings, so yes they can. It's not reasonable to believe in something that has no evidence. God has no evidence.
We can all agree that god has no evidence. Beyond that, i'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

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What if the superstition kept sick people from getting better?
I'm not sure how throwing salt over your shoulder or leaving your keys on the table can keep sick people from getting better.

I think i can see where you're going to go with this. If you really want to go in that direction you should ask yourself "Am i really giving this as much thought as i should?"

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How about the last 4 years of news? This was a huge thing, epically around the time that Bush caved (when he lost a great deal of support from the religious right). How about the US Catholic Bishops, the Pope, LCMS, the NAE, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and many, many others.
You're right. Obviously the fact that these folks got dickslapped in the last national election is irrelevant.

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Things aren't fixed yet. Slavery is over, but a lot of black people are still treated like shit by bigots. Sorry if I don't jump up and down with glee at the slow progress that still is causing horrible problems. Having lost my grandfather to Alzheimer's, it's abundantly clear that something like stem cell research is detrimental.
That sucks about your grandfather, but it still doesn't change the fact that science and religion in America are on the best terms that they have been on in a long time, probably ever.

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Science and religion in America are lagging behind Europe, Canada, and many other places in the world.
So what? Tell you what, if you want to go somewhere where you can really make a difference, why not hop a plane over to saudi arabia fight the good fight over there? If you happen to make it back, let me know how you feel about the oppressiveness of christianity in america.
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