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Originally Posted by pan6467
With all due respect Shakran, that is elitist bullshit and a reason why this poltics forum is dying.
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What you call elitist bullshit I call mature debating. You seem to be saying you'd like this forum to descend into an anarchic free-for-all in which anyone can spew any crap they want without being called on it.
Political debate requires at least two sides. If everyone runs and hides under a rock the minute someone says something they don't agree with, you don't have much debate.
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If someone posts something YOU (a collective YOU, not a personal Shakran attack of YOU) believe to be BS.... IGNORE IT. Don't attack the person, don't play holier than thou and rip apart what they say..... just simply move on. It amazes me the people in Politics that would rather have you sit down and shut up than to speak and give your opinion
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The number of contradictions here is staggering. First you say move on when you don't agree, and then you complain that people want you to shut up rather than give your opinion. Not to mention the fact that you're not exactly moving on by disagreeing with me. Let's be realistic here. If someone spouts what you feel is bullshit, you should call them on it. Period.
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..... Thought it was a free country and one had the right to speak thier opinion without being harassed for it.
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You thought wrong. You have the right to speak your opinion without getting arrested for it. If your opinion disagrees with mine, then *I* too have the right to speak my opinion. I'm sorry that you view disagreement with YOUR (meaning you, Pan, not the collective you) opinion as harassment, but that's simply not the case.
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Again, 99.99% of politics is based on people's feelings, experiences and personal beliefs
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Acting as though fundamental truths are 99% opinion and should therefore be welcomed with open arms is cowering from the debate.
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if a person just gives opinion, who cares, everyone has one and facts can be backed up, just look at global warming.
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Pan it sounds to me like you're saying you don't see the point of this forum at all. If you don't like debate, and you don't like it when someone contradicts you, then that's your perogative, but don't expect to find a happy home in a forum that is defined BY debate.
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But gun control, abortion, the war etc....... IT IS ALL OPINION, I don't care if you have 10 pages of facts.... I can find 10 pages to back me up and show you wrong.
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And that's the point. Of course it's opinion. When did opinion become bad?
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And if we just post the articles and synopsi then we haven't proven anything. But were we creative, did we add anything, did we show why we believe what we do.... because in the end that is what it all comes down to..... what you believe, why you believe that way and how you got to that belief.
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And if I post that I believe the world is flat and Europe doesn't exist and it's all anti-religious bullshit, you don't think I should have SOMETHING to back me up on that? Dude I can sit here and make stuff up all day long, but if that's the kind of crap you want this forum to devolve into I think you're going to be sorely disappointed. There's no point in debating with someone if they're just making up the facts that led to their opinion as they go along. If you want people to realize you're not just inventing lies in order to support your fantasy world opinion, then you're going to have to show us where you got your facts. That's just how it works.
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The rest is just BS that isn't hard to find collobrating stuff on.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Politics became an elitist, BS, look down your nose, same people posting and they have to post in every thread for fear someone will think they don't care, and they have all these posts but say so very little.
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No, Politics became one of the more intelligent political debate forums on the internet. You don't see a bunch of crap in here about Bush being a closet nazi or Clinton (Mrs) being a closet lesbian because people in here realize that you can't just spout cheap bullshit without being called on it. Now unfortunately some OTHER people around here have decided that's "elitist bullshit," presumably because they can't be bothered to actually inform themselves of the issues before jumping to an opinion. All opinions are welcome here, but you'd better know the facts underlying those opinions or you'll get crucified. And frankly, that's how it should be. You can find PLENTY of forums out there where you can make shit up or form an opinion that's not based on the real world at all. Do we want to copy them, or do we want to set a higher standard? My vote's for the latter.