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Originally Posted by shakran
I think we're all looking at this wrong. The politics board has a bad rep with a lot of the users and I frankly don't know why. Of COURSE we fight in here. That's an integral part of politics. It's called "debate" people, not "let's all get along and hug each other and give each other puppies."
Is politics for everyone? No, but then I don't spend much time in Trampoline either. To each his own. If you want everything to be pleasant and rosy, maybe this forum isn't for you but believe it or not, some of us LIKE debate, and can argue with each other without it turning personal.
But as long as we're going to have this debate forum, there are basic rules of debate that we should follow. Citing sources is one of them. I can argue that Bush shouldn't be president because he was the Grand Dragon of the Texas KKK, but if I don't cite a source on that, people won't, and should not, take it seriously. (No, he wasn't, if you were wondering).
We get too many people coming through here making outlandish claims and failing to back it up. Am I gonna waste time debating their points when it's not even clear that their points even happened? Of course not. Cite your sources or don't be surprised if your ideas are rejected out of hand.
And while we're on the subject of citing sources, digg, fark, and especially wikipedia are NOT legitimate sources. They can point you in the direction of a legitimate source, but anything that's written and edited by anonymous people on the internet is automatically suspect.
In short, if you want to get into a political debate, you should know what you're talking about, be able to PROVE that you know what you're talking about, and you should EXPECT to have your ideas attacked. That's the definition of a debate.
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With all due respect Shakran, that is elitist bullshit and a reason why this poltics forum is dying.
If someone posts something YOU (a collective YOU, not a personal Shakran attack of YOU) believe to be BS.... IGNORE IT. Don't attack the person, don't play holier than thou and rip apart what they say..... just simply move on. It amazes me the people in Politics that would rather have you sit down and shut up than to speak and give your opinion..... Thought it was a free country and one had the right to speak thier opinion without being harassed for it.
Again, 99.99% of politics is based on people's feelings, experiences and personal beliefs..... if a person just gives opinion, who cares, everyone has one and facts can be backed up, just look at global warming.
But gun control, abortion, the war etc....... IT IS ALL OPINION, I don't care if you have 10 pages of facts.... I can find 10 pages to back me up and show you wrong. And if we just post the articles and synopsi then we haven't proven anything. But were we creative, did we add anything, did we show why we believe what we do.... because in the end that is what it all comes down to..... what you believe, why you believe that way and how you got to that belief. The rest is just BS that isn't hard to find collobrating stuff on.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Politics became an elitist, BS, look down your nose, same people posting and they have to post in every thread for fear someone will think they don't care, and they have all these posts but say so very little.