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Originally Posted by dc_dux
The probem here is not Host's posts (some of which I read and some I dont) ..or Ace's simplistic analogies, or any one single poster. IMO, the problem is unwillingness by some to have reasonable discourse BASED ON FACTS when the source is challenged.
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No Host's posts aren't a problem, one can just scroll down and ignore them. However, I do believe for the sake of space, time and perhaps encouraging people to read them, Host could post a synopsis, highlight what is said in his own words, how he got to his belief and show links for those questioning him.
It's not very creative, showing open mind or productive to just cut paste an article(s) in a thread and say, "yeah, what this says." That can be done by anyone .... to go to an extreme, I'm sure Men Boy Lovers can do it, Nazis can do it, anyone with half a brain can cut, paste and post. Doesn't even take that much time.
But to delve deep, paraphrase, show how a certain article has affected you views and how you have come to the conclusions you have requires some thought, effort and time.
If all TFP were to just copy and pastes articles and post "Yeah, what this said." we wouldn't last very long. Politics is dying, one for this reason and two because everyone has taken sides and we all know where the other stands now. When someone does put forth a good debate or topic of thought it is quickly hijacked by others for their own purposes and the thread loses it's meaning (ahem "President 2.0").
Ace and I have had great debates and I have learnt a lot from him. I have nothing but respect, and his "simplistic analogies" aren't an issue... but what they are in response to maybe. Simple, non-thought provoking or black and white get simplistic, non-thought provoking, black and white answers.
Finally, one of the problems in Politics is the fact people refuse to accept "I feel....", "I believe and this is why....", as "worthy" enough for them to reply without attacking.
POLITICS IS NOTHING BUT THOUGHT, PHILOSOPHY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCES AND A PROPOSED WAY OF GETTING THINGS DONE.... (IMHO).
So when someone says, "Gun control is wrong/right, abortion is wrong/right, bush is a dunce/a genius, etc" we need to debate what is said, express why we feel the opposite way..... why we feel the opposite may not have anything to do with facts.... it just maybe our life experiences.... how the fuck do expect hard facts from that? Or how the Hell can you rip someone and tear them apart because of something they have experienced?
This Politics forum used to be rough, but it allowed the exchange of ideas, creativity and most importantly it made you THINK..... somewhere we lost that... somewhere in time people here came to believe all that mattered was being able to say "yeah what this says."
Was there a lot of links and pasting back then? Yes, but they also included original thought and expressions. The biggest thing we lack here now... and the lifeblood of a thriving forum.... we can thrive again.