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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
The old testament and the Torah is MUCH older than 1500 years
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I was rounding up, for the binifit of argument. I know that the Torah/OT predates the NT and completed Bible. Is that really a strong point of this discussion to argue?
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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
I would like to see physical proof of love, can you enlighten me on that?
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I found the following article to be concise, but adequate:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/love/
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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
Why is it the burden is always on the believers to "prove" the existance God.....I want some one to "prove" to me he doesnt exist.
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Because I'm saying he almost certainly doesn't exist. I'm not saying God absolutely doesn't exist. I cannot disprove the gods of the Greek mythos, Toaism, Hinduism and any other deistic religion. There is no more evidence of the Judeo-Christian god than there is of any other. The stance of many atheists, myself included, is that many things cannot be disproven completely, but that fact can hardly excuse absolutely believing in deities exist.
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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
Why is it so important for atheists to keep trying to disprove something they dont believe in anyway?
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Because it effects atheists as much as it does theists. If theism were able to keep it's hand to itself, we'f have no reason to mind. Frankly, I have absolutely no problem with you or anyone else having faith in a supreme being. For many people it can serve to be a source of peace and understanding. The problem is when little things slip through and start effecting everyone. When my best friend cannot get married to his boyfriend because the law prevents their union being recognized the same as a heterosexual marriage, theism has effected everyone. When children are taught in public schools a 'scientific theory' that is based solely in religious texts, theism has effected everyone. When war is declared and one of it's justifications is that "God told me to do it", theism has effected everyone. When a man straps explosive to himself and gets on a bus in order to explode himself, theism has effected everyone.
I don't bring it up unless people ask.
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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
Someone who doesnt acknowledge the existance of the holy spirt surely isnt going to understand how it fills the person of a believer and let me tell you what....I wouldnt trade that feeling for what would surely be total emptiness for anything.
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It's not as simple as emptiness, though. There is comforting certainty and peace that comes from being able to always question, explore, discover, and move forward, evolving in your understanding of the universe. Speaking only for myself, I find that atheism is more comforting than theism overall. Yes, there's no one always looking over my shoulder. Yes, there's no comforting prayer when I feel as if I've lost control....but coming to the realization that there was nothing there to answer my prayer makes me being able to figure out how life works on my own so much more meaningful.
You obviously have to decide for yourself, but if you ask, expect me to answer. This thread is about atheism, and I've been addressing the subject.