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X3N0 · 02-13-2007, 06:22 AM

At 17m26s listen for the break in audio, I noticed a very dramatic increase in pitch of voice, and beforehand the picture was targeted to the audience.

42:07-Cut immediately after religion is mentioned

Thoughts :
1) This video has been edited to show a great deal of information but not the key points.
2) Videos such as this and the 9/11 video are being allowed to broadcast on Google because the events that these are based upon are long past, and relating emotionally to the past, which would cause motivation to change are less likely.
3) These videos are not only a mockery of our human will, but a message saying that we are losing the war of free thought.

To ASU2003:
You mentioned that the problem was money. This is not the problem. The actual dilemma for youth's is captured in today's media. The world's idols are our pop stars, and along with fame comes fortune. If one were to think that the reasons for the Education system is to work so much on self-esteem, and we are social beings, who gain satisfaction from the admiration of others, and being shown to others in a positive light; this is a great method for establishing a high value of self-esteem and showing them where to get it.

The jobs such as poets, philosophers and musicians are few and far between. This is because they are quite possibly some of the hardest branches of thought to not only be well studied, understood, and competent in, but you must also be creative.

(A suggestion for a very symbolic representation of this message can be seen in the movie Pi. The scene where he stands in a railway station prodding brain matter with a pencil. If anyone wishes to discuss this further, and have a more well understood view then do not hesitate to e-mail me.)

Since the education system is focusing less and less on actually teaching the kids, they are not learning how to teach themselves. Which is a dedicated, self-doubting, daunting, indeterminate task. Unfortunately, the education system doesn't like to deal with open-ended answers which are not based upon the reasoning, but of the outcome. This is a world of possibilities. That is why we have scientific reasoning that is called theory. It is deemed with this name, because there is always the possibility that somehow two could equal three, or that gravity could stop having a constant value dependent upon the amount of mass something has. This kind of thinking has very little involvement in the education system.

My Experience throughout public education.

As far as I can remember throughout the education system, I despised it.. every last moment of it.. I walked into the classrooms and looked at the teacher with a steady eye, watching their next move in shifting the view of the classroom. Over time, I would gain enough information about the teacher to start question their ways.

There were two possible outcomes for this:
1) Using vocabulary that I had not heard of, and then upon questioning the meaning of the word. I was asked to research within my own spare time. It was class time, and I was to follow the class.
2) Telling me, these were not conversations for the classroom.

There were two other outcomes that were most likely to occur to me after going through research, and approaching them after class.

1) They didn't have enough time.
2) I was told that I wouldn't understand.

Once though, something happened which a teacher did fear. Her name was Mrs. McCullah and she retired the next year.

She told me that it didn't matter how much I questioned what was going on in the classroom, and why she was teaching a certain way. Replying with the thought on why it didn't matter, I asked why ? Her response was that I had already passed to far through the system and I had already began to show what was required.

At that moment, I told her with the most serious tone of voice that what this school and whatever school had to teach me from now on would only be considered as a desert. Where I am asked to tell which piece of sand is next to the other piece of sand. This desert though will be something that I will walk over, and only let my feet touch upon because I will have my views set to the horizon and the skies above. This school's meaning had no value.

This is where it gets good.

She tells me that if I hold no value in anything, then I won't understand it and I'll never pass. Replying in a calm tone I asked her if she could memorize the alphabet in a random pattern and then repeat it, and she said yes. I told her that I could do the same, all of your lessons are memorization, and even the understanding is so basic that I can memorize that. Regurgitating random information on a piece of paper will grant me passing grades. This then continued on to her questioning of how I will fit into society and function well.
Here is where she and the system are trapped.

The child silently sitting in the classroom, only questioning the questions after understanding the answers, will be able to understand his environment and change it.

She I couldn't take on the whole world though, but I knew that we all live in separate worlds where we are only connected through senses. Our thoughts can remain hidden. That is the true world we live in, because it is the conscious recognition of the world. If I end up dying in an alley because I am rejected, but I believe the reasons I am here are well thought out, then passing on with a smile on my face will be something no one can stop.

After this entire discussion, I went to the principal with bursting pride and joy of how I had understood how to seperate myself from the system. This was the person to go to, because he had the most influence around here, and maybe he deserved it because he had showed a mastery of their system. After explaining where I stood, and where I got my reasoning from, he left the office to talk to my teacher.

This is what lead to the retirement of that teacher. Who, tried her best never to speak to me again.

What does this say about the education system ? An adolescent is able to scratch the surface deep enough to have a teacher admit vague facts about my actual education, and then a student devises a way to counter and seperate himself from. This leads to her announcing her retirement.

Does this not seem like a system that has a zero tolerance system for their students understanding the real methods of and meanings of their actions; punishable by being removed from the system?

Please, criticize, judge, question, humiliate, agree, expand, laugh at, dismiss and ignore.
It is all material which can create new thought, and I eagerly await it all.

Thankyou TFP for a place to rant.

I know every thought may not be directly connected to each other, but it is because I have problems in taking the time to say everything when I think faster than I type.

P.S. I started writing at the end of that break. No other influences. Just to show there was an unbiased opinion up to that point.

02-13-2007, 06:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
X3N0 Upright Location: Kelowna BC	At 17m26s listen for the break in audio, I noticed a very dramatic increase in pitch of voice, and beforehand the picture was targeted to the audience. 42:07-Cut immediately after religion is mentioned Thoughts : 1) This video has been edited to show a great deal of information but not the key points. 2) Videos such as this and the 9/11 video are being allowed to broadcast on Google because the events that these are based upon are long past, and relating emotionally to the past, which would cause motivation to change are less likely. 3) These videos are not only a mockery of our human will, but a message saying that we are losing the war of free thought. To ASU2003: You mentioned that the problem was money. This is not the problem. The actual dilemma for youth's is captured in today's media. The world's idols are our pop stars, and along with fame comes fortune. If one were to think that the reasons for the Education system is to work so much on self-esteem, and we are social beings, who gain satisfaction from the admiration of others, and being shown to others in a positive light; this is a great method for establishing a high value of self-esteem and showing them where to get it. The jobs such as poets, philosophers and musicians are few and far between. This is because they are quite possibly some of the hardest branches of thought to not only be well studied, understood, and competent in, but you must also be creative. (A suggestion for a very symbolic representation of this message can be seen in the movie Pi. The scene where he stands in a railway station prodding brain matter with a pencil. If anyone wishes to discuss this further, and have a more well understood view then do not hesitate to e-mail me.) Since the education system is focusing less and less on actually teaching the kids, they are not learning how to teach themselves. Which is a dedicated, self-doubting, daunting, indeterminate task. Unfortunately, the education system doesn't like to deal with open-ended answers which are not based upon the reasoning, but of the outcome. This is a world of possibilities. That is why we have scientific reasoning that is called theory. It is deemed with this name, because there is always the possibility that somehow two could equal three, or that gravity could stop having a constant value dependent upon the amount of mass something has. This kind of thinking has very little involvement in the education system. My Experience throughout public education. As far as I can remember throughout the education system, I despised it.. every last moment of it.. I walked into the classrooms and looked at the teacher with a steady eye, watching their next move in shifting the view of the classroom. Over time, I would gain enough information about the teacher to start question their ways. There were two possible outcomes for this: 1) Using vocabulary that I had not heard of, and then upon questioning the meaning of the word. I was asked to research within my own spare time. It was class time, and I was to follow the class. 2) Telling me, these were not conversations for the classroom. There were two other outcomes that were most likely to occur to me after going through research, and approaching them after class. 1) They didn't have enough time. 2) I was told that I wouldn't understand. Once though, something happened which a teacher did fear. Her name was Mrs. McCullah and she retired the next year. She told me that it didn't matter how much I questioned what was going on in the classroom, and why she was teaching a certain way. Replying with the thought on why it didn't matter, I asked why ? Her response was that I had already passed to far through the system and I had already began to show what was required. At that moment, I told her with the most serious tone of voice that what this school and whatever school had to teach me from now on would only be considered as a desert. Where I am asked to tell which piece of sand is next to the other piece of sand. This desert though will be something that I will walk over, and only let my feet touch upon because I will have my views set to the horizon and the skies above. This school's meaning had no value. This is where it gets good. She tells me that if I hold no value in anything, then I won't understand it and I'll never pass. Replying in a calm tone I asked her if she could memorize the alphabet in a random pattern and then repeat it, and she said yes. I told her that I could do the same, all of your lessons are memorization, and even the understanding is so basic that I can memorize that. Regurgitating random information on a piece of paper will grant me passing grades. This then continued on to her questioning of how I will fit into society and function well. Here is where she and the system are trapped. The child silently sitting in the classroom, only questioning the questions after understanding the answers, will be able to understand his environment and change it. She I couldn't take on the whole world though, but I knew that we all live in separate worlds where we are only connected through senses. Our thoughts can remain hidden. That is the true world we live in, because it is the conscious recognition of the world. If I end up dying in an alley because I am rejected, but I believe the reasons I am here are well thought out, then passing on with a smile on my face will be something no one can stop. After this entire discussion, I went to the principal with bursting pride and joy of how I had understood how to seperate myself from the system. This was the person to go to, because he had the most influence around here, and maybe he deserved it because he had showed a mastery of their system. After explaining where I stood, and where I got my reasoning from, he left the office to talk to my teacher. This is what lead to the retirement of that teacher. Who, tried her best never to speak to me again. What does this say about the education system ? An adolescent is able to scratch the surface deep enough to have a teacher admit vague facts about my actual education, and then a student devises a way to counter and seperate himself from. This leads to her announcing her retirement. Does this not seem like a system that has a zero tolerance system for their students understanding the real methods of and meanings of their actions; punishable by being removed from the system? Please, criticize, judge, question, humiliate, agree, expand, laugh at, dismiss and ignore. It is all material which can create new thought, and I eagerly await it all. Thankyou TFP for a place to rant. I know every thought may not be directly connected to each other, but it is because I have problems in taking the time to say everything when I think faster than I type. P.S. I started writing at the end of that break. No other influences. Just to show there was an unbiased opinion up to that point. __________________ Xenogears - Stand tall and shake the heavens Socrates - The unstudied life, is not worth living Last edited by X3N0; 02-14-2007 at 11:18 PM.. Reason: Updates !