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Originally Posted by filtherton
As an atheist you might prefer communism as a means of not doing some of these things; how well did the reason of atheists work out following the russian revolution?
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I've noticed that your arguments are becoming increasingly more outrageous. Are you seeing this as one of your "better to be irrational" instances of your life? If so then we can simply desist our conversation right now...
If atheism dictated a doctorine then this might be a point. However, you don't have to be a communist to be an atheist. You can be a communist and a christian and, thus, object to the list of the previous post. Your argument makes no sense. Again, what's with the empty rhetoric? Have you run out of meaningful things to say?
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There are plenty of christians who are okay with gay marriage and plenty of secular justifications offered for its denial. Atheism isn't necessarily the rational alternative. People do fucked up things, regardless of their over-arching belief system.
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Atheism isn't the only thing that will change these attitudes but it certainly is a reasonable one. People will always do fucked up things but the hope is that reasonable people won't be fooled into doing fucked up things by their religion and, thus, less people will be doing fucked up things...
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Well, the problem is that you seem to speak of theists as one cohesive group. If you stop speaking about all theists as if they all share an identical belief system i'll stop pointing out that you're wrong about it.
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Theists are one cohesive group in that they all believe in fairy tales. They're not all a problem if that's what you mean. Dawkins isn't attacking religious people, he's attacking religion. Orthodox christianity is very clearly against homosexuality. Thus, it can be argued that self proclaimed "christians" that support homosexuality aren't really christians. Regardless, it is not these christians that Dawkins condemns or, indeed, any christian but the motivation behind their beliefs. The fairy tale that tells you what's wrong or right...
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Have you ever done something which at the time didn't make any sense to do, but having done so the situation actually turned out better than it would have if you had done what the prototypical rational person would have done? That's why sometimes acting rational isn't always your best option.
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Okay, let me ask you something. If you did something stupid and it serendipitously turned out better than if you had tried to do something reasonable, would you then conclude that you should do more stupid things?
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The world is an irrational, unreasonable place, and treating everything as if it makes sense doesn't actually make sense.
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People can be irrational and unreasonable and you should know this when dealing with them. The rest of the world is perfectly rational and reasonable and it does make sense to treat it as if it makes sense...