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Wouldn't you have to believe in hell first to tell someone they're going their?
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Willravel's subtle humor swings and misses.
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This isn't even close to the point I was making. To say that theists are the only ones who try to conform others to their way of thinking is simply ridiculous.
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But it's not that simple. Atheists convert with books or protests. Christians, some anyway, convert with knives. Have you ever heard of any religious person being physically hurt by atheists because of their faith? Absolutely not. Conversion with a book is better than conversion with a gun.
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Not quite. Now you're saying that it's all right to run your own agenda for so long as it's not viewed by the majority. Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. CNN, just like that atheist TV show, is privately owned and run. They're under no obligation to show anything which doesn't fit their agenda.
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No, I'm saying you were incorrect when you said:
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I suppose you could say that it's almost as bad as when you have a panel of athiests discussing different religions?
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You had to find some miniscule, out in the boonies example, which really only made your case worse. If you hadn't responded then at least you didn't try and fail. Your fictional 'al atheists baching christianity' show was a farce.
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You can sit here and try to nitpick at that argument as much as you want, but that's the bottom line. Before you finger point at CNN, you'd better take a good, hard look at your own camp.
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Which camp is that? I watch Democracy Now! and read a few newspapers, not one of the BS news networks. Do you disagree with my clever little quote?
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You can find unbiased news in the United States? Sorry, but all TV stations have their own agendas to run. The atheists run theirs without much backlash, so why can't CNN?
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Hahaha. Here we are again. So where is this atheist agenda on TV? Noewhere. That's what I thought.
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Isn't it anyway?
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No, and if it were I'd fight to get it back to the way it's supposed to be.
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a' know... One of the questions that they usually ask the presidency runners is "How does your faith affects your political position (Or something of the sort)?" So much for separation of Church and State.
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I think we can all agree that Presidents are not the place to look for a good example of anything that has to do with government except corruption or ignorance. Bush invaded Iraq with the supposed support of God.
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Well, for one, I don't believe I ever said that. People can have different belief systems; I simply have a problem when one tries to impose their will on the other. I'd be willing to bet that the Mississippi school would have gladly let the kid be exempt from Bible study if his parents asked for him too. I've got a problem with the
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When anything religious goes into public schools, it's an imposition. When religion leaves public schools, it's a return to equilibrium. Remember, atheism isn't a religion. It's a lack there of, and as such isn't subject to the same rules in public schools.
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Naw, it wouldn't. I wouldn't run them out for being atheists (That'd be dumb), but because they want to prevent everyone else from participating in Bible study rather than simply asking their child to be removed from Bible study.
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If the bible study is priave, that's great. I promote bible studies among Christians, just like I support Qu'ran studies for Muslims and Torah studies for Jews. Your religion is important to you and you experiencing the peace and understanding of that religion can't hurt me. The problem is that bible studies have no place in public schools.
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The question still remains, what exactly is the opposition if it wouldn'e be required of anyone to participate (Sorta' like not saying the PoA)? Yeah. I know. I won't get a straight answer.
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Because it's not as cut and dry as you're making it. If a child wants to pray silently before a meal or before a test, no one cares, even us godless athiests. t's when the teacher leads the class in prayer right after doing the flag salute that things get really stupid. Would you want your kid reading from the Qu'ran and being taught that it's the correct religion at a public school? No? Why not? There's your answer.
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I've actually got a brilliant idea. Instead of prayer, let's just call it "Talk to whomever you believe in, if you believe in anything" time. It's all inclusive and couldn't possibly offend anyone  |
I don't know of any school teacher that leads prayers to every diety. It's usually just one diety, and it's usually Christian (simply because Christianity is the most prevelant religion).
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Oh, and for the record, I fully well know what those verses mean (Yes, I have read the Bible, ya' know). They don't say not to engage in public prayer, but not to engage in public prayer as means showing you're superiority to anyone else. Would you care to distort anymore Bible verses?
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Why do you think people
have to pray in school? They are lording their god over everyone. I did it when I was in school, and a lot of my Christian buddies did too. It's perfectly clear, and your suggestion that I'm distorting the bible is ludacris. The words are plain and simple.