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roachboy · 02-03-2007, 06:58 PM

loquitor:

i asked about you about your relation to the information that you posted. which you did not answer.
do you think you could manage?

i did not set out a list of reasons why the argument for invading iraq floated by the administration are...um....worthless are (1) i couldnt work out the answer to the question above and (2) will has done a pretty good job of laying out that case in this thread already. so it'd have been redundant.

but hey, who knows?
maybe the linkages between arguments that purport to be based on a description of reality and the reality they purport to describe are not tops on your list of evaluation criteria.
you might enjoy busharguments for aesthetic reasons because they make the world simple and pretty;
or maybe because they enable you to impute legitimacy where there is none and that action fulfills some desire and so makes the world all pretty again;

or you might find them funny, in which case it hardly matters whether they are true according to other criteria or not;

or you might just like the manly feel you get from thinking about them, and that's all that matters--in which case they can't not be true because your manliness depends on the opposite being the case.

there are any number of frames that you can lay around an argument: whether the claims about the world they make line up with the actually existing world those arguments purport to describe is only one of them.
but the least you could do, if you cant manage to say whether you are serious or not, is to be up front about which logical game you are playing.

so far as i can tell, it cannot possibly be one in which the arguments about the world and the conditions these arguments purport to describe need have anything to do with each other.

but maybe we just play different games and happen by accident to find ourselves on the same board and are momentarily confused by that.
why not?
it's possible....

02-03-2007, 06:58 PM	#80 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	loquitor: i asked about you about your relation to the information that you posted. which you did not answer. do you think you could manage? i did not set out a list of reasons why the argument for invading iraq floated by the administration are...um....worthless are (1) i couldnt work out the answer to the question above and (2) will has done a pretty good job of laying out that case in this thread already. so it'd have been redundant. but hey, who knows? maybe the linkages between arguments that purport to be based on a description of reality and the reality they purport to describe are not tops on your list of evaluation criteria. you might enjoy busharguments for aesthetic reasons because they make the world simple and pretty; or maybe because they enable you to impute legitimacy where there is none and that action fulfills some desire and so makes the world all pretty again; or you might find them funny, in which case it hardly matters whether they are true according to other criteria or not; or you might just like the manly feel you get from thinking about them, and that's all that matters--in which case they can't not be true because your manliness depends on the opposite being the case. there are any number of frames that you can lay around an argument: whether the claims about the world they make line up with the actually existing world those arguments purport to describe is only one of them. but the least you could do, if you cant manage to say whether you are serious or not, is to be up front about which logical game you are playing. so far as i can tell, it cannot possibly be one in which the arguments about the world and the conditions these arguments purport to describe need have anything to do with each other. but maybe we just play different games and happen by accident to find ourselves on the same board and are momentarily confused by that. why not? it's possible.... __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 02-03-2007 at 07:01 PM..