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Originally Posted by roachboy
jj: thanks.
my objection to what you write:
this backstory, whatever it is, figures in pretty significant ways within whatever this discussion is that we are having. the concern that has been spun out of that backstory is not even accessible to many of us--for whatever reason.... (it sounds from your post like the origin of some of it is a personal falling-out between you/shesus and ng--but even that i can't be sure of because you frame your post across the question of transparency in a way that repeats the problem i am trying to raise, except now the word transparency gets to be part of it--and if it is a purely personal matter between a small cluster of members, how did it, whatever it is, get raised to the level of a general problem with tfp?)
so it seems that either (a) it has to be made public so that all have equal access to it or (b) it has to drop out of both the conversations that lead up to any decisions and the decisions themselves.
in other words, this either is or is not a matter relevant for the community as a whole. as it stands, it floats about, raised in a half-assed way (this is difficult--i am not really referencing your post here, jj, more addressing the issue that you tried to clarify in general---sorry for such confusion as this may create)---it is never really explained, but is nontheless accepted/treated as though it characterizes something significant, that is as something that accurately characterizes a structural problem.
but a personal falling-out is NOT a structural problem.
the problem now is that, given the information presented, i (for one) cant even figure out what this problem actually is.
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I understand exactly what you're saying. I think the issue seems to involve shesus, myself, daoust, and ngdawg because we posted at C:A under our TFP names. This makes it easy to place us at the center of it because our names are recognizable.
I can't speak to why some members used different names at C:A. They may have been looking for anonymity there and for me to call them out would be unfair, which is why I refrain from using their names. It's not my place to reveal those identities. This could make the discussion a bit more difficult and lends to the perception that it's sour grapes on my part. Hell, maybe it is, and if it is, then I'll concede that and let it drop. But I think that what transpired over there is going to be the catalyst for change here and I don't think that would have happened if everyone involved had been using aliases. Oddly enough, in that regard, I have to admire ngdawg and daoust, despite what my words may suggest.
As SuppleCow stated, this problem has been brewing for a long time. To me, a large part of what makes TFP stand out from any other forum out there are the Creativity forums, including exhibition. You can have politics discussions, general discussions, gaming, computer, music, movie, automobile, etc. discussions on any generic forum on the internet. TFP stands out for me because of its Creativity forums. But the Creativity forums are dying a slow death and I believe the reasons for it have to do, in part, to what SuppleCow was mentioning.
I believe that if Creativity dies, then the essence of what TFP was and is dies. I don't want that to happen. If TFP is going to return to what it was, we need direction from its leader and we need to resolve these problems.