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Originally Posted by willravel
The only shame should be from being there in the first place.
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I understand that this is the rationalization, but I don't support it. Again, once the troops were given the responsibility to fight, the american people had the responsibility to support their troops.
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Do you agree the war was a mistake?
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I've said it before Ill say it again. No I don't think it was a mistake. It might have been poorly implemented, but not a mistake. No other country's army was "officially" involved in 9/11, yet someone had to pay, for a variety af reasons. No leading world power should be allowed to be attacked like that and not have the right to retaliation. It would set a terrible precedent.
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Osama isn't in Afghanistan anymore.
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Everyone knows he's hiding along the border between Afgahnistan/Pakistan, but Pakistan won't let the US into the region, for its own political well-being. In other words, Pakistan is sheltering OBL and al-Qaeda and the Taliban. I am for a NATO presence in Afghanistan. The entire area is a cesspool of anti-western sentiment and religious fanaticism. Those systems are in dire need of reform, and I believe it can be done, in the same way South Korea, Germany and Japan were reformed. Something one nevers hears from the left, yet, they say they support their troops by god.
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That's nuts. That's, and forgive the perfectly apt Godwin, like good germans supporting the Nazi soldiers despite being against the war. The Germans had no good reason to invade anyone, and neither does the US. If you want to support the troops, do so by helping them do their real job, defending the US. They aren't being ordered to do their job. They are being ordered to invade and occupy a soverign country.
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Again this goes back to the first question in this post. Something major needed to be done post-9/11. Every rational nation on earth condemned 9/11. There needed to be a paradigm change. The americans didn't hit Iraq out of an ambition to invade, conquer and enslave the entire middle east like the germans wanted to do to europe, so the german analogy doesn't stand. Globalization means defending the US is more than just standing at the border waiting for an attack.