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roachboy · 02-03-2007, 10:55 AM

jj: thanks.

my objection to what you write:

this backstory, whatever it is, figures in pretty significant ways within whatever this discussion is that we are having. the concern that has been spun out of that backstory is not even accessible to many of us--for whatever reason.... (it sounds from your post like the origin of some of it is a personal falling-out between you/shesus and ng--but even that i can't be sure of because you frame your post across the question of transparency in a way that repeats the problem i am trying to raise, except now the word transparency gets to be part of it--and if it is a purely personal matter between a small cluster of members, how did it, whatever it is, get raised to the level of a general problem with tfp?)

so it seems that either (a) it has to be made public so that all have equal access to it or (b) it has to drop out of both the conversations that lead up to any decisions and the decisions themselves.

in other words, this either is or is not a matter relevant for the community as a whole. as it stands, it floats about, raised in a half-assed way (this is difficult--i am not really referencing your post here, jj, more addressing the issue that you tried to clarify in general---sorry for such confusion as this may create)---it is never really explained, but is nontheless accepted/treated as though it characterizes something significant, that is as something that accurately characterizes a structural problem.

but a personal falling-out is NOT a structural problem.

the problem now is that, given the information presented, i (for one) cant even figure out what this problem actually is.

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(the following more general, no longer directed at jj):

the same applies to this "highbrow" term that keeps getting thrown around as a critique of the tfp: either explain what is meant by it or stop referencing it.

and with the framing of politics as if it constituted some kind of problem for the board (rather than being seen as an asset, which may not be to everyone's taste, but who really cares? not every forum is to my taste and i cannot imagine a situation in which i would try to argue that forums which do not conform to my personal tastes are a Problem for the board as a whole).

02-03-2007, 10:55 AM	#34 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	jj: thanks. my objection to what you write: this backstory, whatever it is, figures in pretty significant ways within whatever this discussion is that we are having. the concern that has been spun out of that backstory is not even accessible to many of us--for whatever reason.... (it sounds from your post like the origin of some of it is a personal falling-out between you/shesus and ng--but even that i can't be sure of because you frame your post across the question of transparency in a way that repeats the problem i am trying to raise, except now the word transparency gets to be part of it--and if it is a purely personal matter between a small cluster of members, how did it, whatever it is, get raised to the level of a general problem with tfp?) so it seems that either (a) it has to be made public so that all have equal access to it or (b) it has to drop out of both the conversations that lead up to any decisions and the decisions themselves. in other words, this either is or is not a matter relevant for the community as a whole. as it stands, it floats about, raised in a half-assed way (this is difficult--i am not really referencing your post here, jj, more addressing the issue that you tried to clarify in general---sorry for such confusion as this may create)---it is never really explained, but is nontheless accepted/treated as though it characterizes something significant, that is as something that accurately characterizes a structural problem. but a personal falling-out is NOT a structural problem. the problem now is that, given the information presented, i (for one) cant even figure out what this problem actually is. ================================== (the following more general, no longer directed at jj): the same applies to this "highbrow" term that keeps getting thrown around as a critique of the tfp: either explain what is meant by it or stop referencing it. and with the framing of politics as if it constituted some kind of problem for the board (rather than being seen as an asset, which may not be to everyone's taste, but who really cares? not every forum is to my taste and i cannot imagine a situation in which i would try to argue that forums which do not conform to my personal tastes are a Problem for the board as a whole). __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 02-03-2007 at 11:00 AM..