Originally Posted by host

I quote Reagan because his "noble war" campaign rhetoric was symptomatic of the same politics of denial....the failure to observe, digest, learn from, and then avoid making the same mistakes that get our troops and innocent civilians in places like Vietnam, killed....for nothing....in avoidable "expeditions" that end up showing us what those of us who didn't fall under Reagan's fiction, already knew. Vietnam was a mistake, a series of mistakes, that subsequent generations of US leaders and the populace, could have learned mcuh more from....if not for the "story telling" of Reagan and of his supporters.

That crap is written all over your post, reconmike. The contradictions in your post make it incoherent. You've got a president who has given us another Vietnam, in or own generation, complete with US troops inserted in the midst of a civil war, in a country where the local boys who are of similar age of our own troops, refuse to make the commitment that our troops are ordered to make....to fight for a corrupt and ineffective national government that locals themselves are not willing to fight and die for....

....and you have it wrong, mike...what you refer to as "the defeatest stygma" is the lesson of prudence and discernment in deciding when and where to commit US troops...to place them "under fire", only when it is absolutely necessary.....thanks to the bullshit rhetoric of these two guys....commanding a gullible audience of "the faithful", much more impressionable and willing to believe than any that "Fonda" could ever attract (hell....you and powerclown still believe it.....)...the potential to learn those "lessons" was detoured:


....death to the press....shoot the messenger.....ignore Duncan Hunter and Duke Cunningham, and blow the insignificant press reporting, up beyond all rational scale, compared to it's impact.....way to go boys....I'm a yankee doodle dandie.....born on the fourth of july.....

read it again, reconmike.....the "party" line.....report on the war the way we tell you, or lose your embedded status.....or maybe be executed by reconmike......the "liberal press"...the hippies....."Hanoi Jane"....convenient scapegoats trotted out to ignore the spectacle of the Vietnam, "groundhog day", that is Iraq !

When asked by Blitzer, Duncan Hunter, corrupt war profiteer and peddler of the influence of his high office, in a "time of war", was not able to,

....disagree.....and neither is reconmike or powerclown....instead, out comes the broad brush...to paint all of those who want the new Vietnam to stop....
as non-patriots who don't support "the troops"......