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roachboy · 02-01-2007, 07:14 AM

pan:

i understand that what anyone writes can be taken any number of ways, and that in a netforum tone is essentially a blank to be filled in. so you fill in what you want to find in the tone of the posts i put here. the only conclusion that i draw from that is that you obviously have a hair across your ass about roachboy....rather than do battle with your projections or mess about with the surface of barely controlled hysteria that you seem to confuse with an element of style, i'm going to just explain a couple things behind what i wrote earlier.

i am very interested in processes of self-regulation/direct democracy.
i have done a ton of research on the ways in which drect democracy has been thought about and argued for across the history of the left, from craft-based anarchism through revolutionary syndicalism to socialisme ou barbarie (a french revolutionary marxist group from after world war 2)....i think it an interesting and important conceptual and political question. for a while now, lots of folk that i know (one way or another) have argued that types of internet activity can function as models of self-management in 3-d life: people often point to how linux was developed or to other open-source softwares that have been collectively worked up: they point to various on-line communities. i am interested in these forms of collective work and at various points have checked them out and sometimes have worked up assessments based on my research work of their political potentials. the problem with the anarchy forum is not exclusive to that forum: you see the same kind of question coming up all the time in conversations with folk who see in forms of net activity a type of viable political model for thinking about 3-d life. and it is because i think such experiments important and potentially very interesting that i decided to say what i have said in this thread: the biggest advantage direct democracy could provide is a kind of direct control over the rules that shape how folk act and think, what they do and how they do it. but it seems that this is not always obvious to folk who launch these experiments, and that is fine--but i also think that it is equally fine to point that out. and pointing that out is not pissing on the project: it is simply indicating that there is another dimension of self-regulation that is important, that should be thought about. and that's it. that's all i meant.

so when i looked at the anarchy forum, my reaction came from this.

the second post was about linking the lack of an explicit process of self-regulation (and linking mod status to number of posts aint it) to the low quality of the posts. what linked them was the (apparent) lack of a sense of responsibility, and what enabled that lack of responsibility was the lack of the mechanisms above, and the pitch for the forum itself as a space of "no rules"---and you can see for yourself what happened.

so with that said, let's turn to turn to your post 168.

nada.
sorry.

02-01-2007, 07:14 AM	#179 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	pan: i understand that what anyone writes can be taken any number of ways, and that in a netforum tone is essentially a blank to be filled in. so you fill in what you want to find in the tone of the posts i put here. the only conclusion that i draw from that is that you obviously have a hair across your ass about roachboy....rather than do battle with your projections or mess about with the surface of barely controlled hysteria that you seem to confuse with an element of style, i'm going to just explain a couple things behind what i wrote earlier. i am very interested in processes of self-regulation/direct democracy. i have done a ton of research on the ways in which drect democracy has been thought about and argued for across the history of the left, from craft-based anarchism through revolutionary syndicalism to socialisme ou barbarie (a french revolutionary marxist group from after world war 2)....i think it an interesting and important conceptual and political question. for a while now, lots of folk that i know (one way or another) have argued that types of internet activity can function as models of self-management in 3-d life: people often point to how linux was developed or to other open-source softwares that have been collectively worked up: they point to various on-line communities. i am interested in these forms of collective work and at various points have checked them out and sometimes have worked up assessments based on my research work of their political potentials. the problem with the anarchy forum is not exclusive to that forum: you see the same kind of question coming up all the time in conversations with folk who see in forms of net activity a type of viable political model for thinking about 3-d life. and it is because i think such experiments important and potentially very interesting that i decided to say what i have said in this thread: the biggest advantage direct democracy could provide is a kind of direct control over the rules that shape how folk act and think, what they do and how they do it. but it seems that this is not always obvious to folk who launch these experiments, and that is fine--but i also think that it is equally fine to point that out. and pointing that out is not pissing on the project: it is simply indicating that there is another dimension of self-regulation that is important, that should be thought about. and that's it. that's all i meant. so when i looked at the anarchy forum, my reaction came from this. the second post was about linking the lack of an explicit process of self-regulation (and linking mod status to number of posts aint it) to the low quality of the posts. what linked them was the (apparent) lack of a sense of responsibility, and what enabled that lack of responsibility was the lack of the mechanisms above, and the pitch for the forum itself as a space of "no rules"---and you can see for yourself what happened. so with that said, let's turn to turn to your post 168. nada. sorry. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 02-01-2007 at 07:16 AM..