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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Respond in the wrong way and everything falls into chaos.
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I agree. Example: Iraq.
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Sadaam, was a low ranking member getting away with defiant behavior.
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Oh no! Oh my god! Someone dared to mouth off about the US! Yeah that's TOTALLY a reason to invade his country and get him killed.
No, it didn't. He wasn't hurting us.
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At risk were not only threats from him,
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I can threaten to turn you into a newt, but if I lack the ability it really doesn't matter. Saddam could rattle his sabre all he wanted, it wouldn't give him the capability to attack us. Hell Kuwait was on the outer edge of his missile range, and when he did fire at them he missed most of the time. Saddam never had the capacity to attack us militarilly. If you wanna start attacking people because they pose a threat to us, then why didn't we invade N. Korea, which has nukes, the capability of hitting us, and has threatened to do so?
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but the entire ME going into chaos and possibly the rest of the world.
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It's going into chaos now. Our actions didn't help much, did they.
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Iran, China, North Korea all have the potential to be bigger problems than Iraq. Currently all eyes are on how we (The Top Dog) handles the situation.
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Yeah, and all those eyes are wondering WTF our problem is. If Iran, China, and NK have the potential to be bigger problems than Iraq, why didn't we deal with them? That's like spending all your energy swatting the mosquito while ignoring the grizzly bear charging you.
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I know in advance what some of you will say. And I say we don't live in a Disney Land like world. Power struggles are governed by animalistic behaviors, and before comment take a detailed look at historical transitions of power and read "The Art of War". Historically cultures who fail in the art of war get enslaved (serve others) or die.
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And historically governments that waste time, energy, money, and soldiers in conflicts they have no business being in collapse and disappear. See: Napoleon, Hitler, the USSR. . .
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Perhaps 1000 years from now we will evolve and we can all be happy, but that day ain't today.
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Gee Ace, I thought we were the top dog - the guy everyone else looks to. Why don't we start this evolution?
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what we need is a unified voice. Taking political shots at GWB is hurting our cause not helping.
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Our cause is immoral, illegal, and filled with war crimes. Our cause SHOULD be to keep us safe, not to attack countries because it sounds like fun. GWB wants our cause to be the latter, and quite frankly I am not interested in helping that cause.
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Democrats gave GWB the authority to wage war,
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They gave him the authority to wage war
to defend our country from danger. We were not in danger from Iraq, he misused that authority. Quit trying to pin this on the democrats. The fault for this mess lies squarely with the white house.
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they gave him the funding, GWB was re-elected,
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Maybe. when the CEO of the voting machine company promises to rig the election in favor of Bush, I have trouble believing he was legitimately elected.
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GWB has offered a change in strategy.
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No, he hasn't. He's offered to throw more troops into the fray, but also to invade Iran. That's not changing the strategy, it's just moving it to another country.
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Now we need agreement on a plan. Democrats need to either support GWB's plan or tell us the following:
What is your plan?
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Leave. Now.
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What are we going to do if we withdraw and the civil war turns into ethnic cleansing?
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It's already doing that, it's already going to do that, there's nothing we can do about it.
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What if Iran, Syria, Turkey got involved in the civil war?
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They will, whether we're there or not. Hopefully 100 years from now this, combined with Vietnam, will be a lesson that will teach America to mind its own damn business and to keep its military away from where it doesn't belong. You'll excuse me if I don't have much faith that this lesson will actually stick.
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What if Iraq turns into a haven for terrorist, what are we going to do?
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it already is. We're the ones who made it that way. Staying there isn't going to stop that. Staying there is only going to make the Arab world even more pissed off at us.
Your arguments make no sense. The logical leaps required to comprehend them are completely invalid. If we want to stop the terrorists, logically we'd go after the terrorists. But we pulled out of Afghanistan, and Bush himself said he wasn't real worried about catching bin Laden. If you can explain to me, logically, how we can stop terrorism by letting the real terrorists go, I'll listen.
I think you'd have a better chance convincing me that rain is dry.