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Originally Posted by roachboy
ace: much of what you are saying relies on a TON of assumptions, most of which square with standard-issue neoconservative arguments about the war in iraq.
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all i see in your arguments about the war up to this point is an inability to get your head around this basic reality.
then i see a refusal to even consider that a central problem with iraq may follow from this hyper-nationalist go-it-more-or-less alone attitude particular to the neocons. you treat that logic as a straightjacket and seem to think that there is no way to alter it: which means that you, like your more prominent neocon bretheren, have turned a massive defeat into a parameter for thinking, and you positions, like those of the "bush plan" follow in a straight line from that.
it seems to me that this entire line of argument is at best circular, and at worst simply nuts.
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I agree, which is why any further discussion is an exercise in futility.
One last reaction to this:
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For those of you who are humanitarian, and want to understand why we need to get the situation in Iraq under control, not leave but send in more support here is a link to the UN.
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Here is the response of Gen Abizaid to a similar comment by Sen. McCain several weeks ago:
ABIZAID: Senator McCain, I met with every divisional commander, General Casey, the core commander, General Dempsey, we all talked together. And I said, in your professional opinion, if we were to bring in more American Troops now, does it add considerably to our ability to achieve success in Iraq? And they all said no. And the reason is because we want the Iraqis to do more. It is easy for the Iraqis to rely upon to us do this work. I believe that more American forces prevent the Iraqis from doing more, from taking more responsibility for their own future.
Now I am done.