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Originally Posted by desal75
I'm intrigued by the way this thread has become less about politics and more about teaching me how to use this forum.
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Well, be glad. Instead of ignoring you for posting pointless posts, we're trying to bring you into the fold. Smile, and join us
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As for palatable, I wasn't trying to force what I think is or isn't on anyone. I was simply stating that what is needed is different to different people. Some would argue that any loss of life due to war is unnecessary. Others see justifiable reasons for killing and death, no matter on what scale.
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so in other words you didn't say much of anything. That's kind of like saying "you're either 100% wet, or 100% dry, or somewhere in between." We all already know that there are lots of opinions on what is or is not palatable. We want to know YOUR opinion.
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The grey area is that in any conflict there is no easy answer.
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When did you get the idea that I thought any of the possible answers would be easy? They're not. They're all hard. Unfortunately ALL of the possible answers end up in a worse situation than we had before.
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Especially in conflicts like Iraq where the opposition isn't easily distinguished and the goals not easily expressed.
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Well that's half the problem isn't it. The goals keep changing, and they've always been nebulous. Hell that's more than half the problem, that's the whole problem.
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Even the notion of winning or losing a conflict such as this is not easily defined.
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It would be if we'd set solid goals and work toward them, but the Incompetent-In-Chief won't do that, so we shouldn't be there until we can define it.
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Some would say victory has already been achieved
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Yeah, Bush tried that from the deck of a carrier. Unfortunately for him, no one buys it any more.
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while some would argue that victory can never be attained. The grey is that both arguements have merit.
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No, they don't, and they can't until as you said, we know what victory is. Once we've defined what victory is, we can determine whether we can do it, and how to do it. Until then, we're just spinning our wheels getting our troops killed.