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shakran · 01-15-2007, 08:25 AM

I don't have that viewpoint Mixed. I mean, yes, Republicans did it, and they were dumbasses for doing it, but that doesn't mean we can ignore the problem.

However, if we stay the country will degenerate into years of bloody civil war.

If we leave the country will degenerate into years of bloody civil war.

there is NO way to prevent the civil war. None. At all. It's like a tire fire. Once it gets going, you are NOT going to put it out. It will burn until it's out of fuel. You have 2 choices. Send your firefighters in where they might get hurt and inhale toxic fumes, and do absolutely nothing towards getting the fire out, or pull 'em back and just watch it burn. Either way, the result in the tire pile is the same, but the 2nd option at least lets you preserve the life and health of your firefighters.

Iraq is no different. We've sparked the conflagration. It's going to happen. Nothing will stop it. Why not at least pull our guys back so they don't get hurt any more than they already have?

The parallels of this war to Vietnam are becoming more obvious every day. Back then we said "oh we can't pull out, what will they do without us," and it was only when people finally realized that the country was sunk with or without us that we finally pulled out.

The fact is that when we stick our nose in where it doesn't belong, bad things happen - especially if we let incompetent boobs that couldn't even lead a kid to the crapper take charge.

And now not only does Mr. Bush want to stay in Iraq where we will do precisely no good, he wants to move on to Iran as well. This insanity has got to stop some time - it may as well be now.

Oh, and desal75, if you're going to make fun little snips at what those of us in this thread have to say, perhaps you should come out with an opinion of your own. These little quips frankly make you look more like a troll than a debater. If you think I'm seeing the world black and white then please, by all means, educate me. Show me where the grey is.

If you think it all depends on what I call palatable, then give us your definition of palatable and tell us your solution.

Otherwise you're just taking useless pot shots which might work on Fark, but around here, we're not very impressed by it.

01-15-2007, 08:25 AM	#54 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	I don't have that viewpoint Mixed. I mean, yes, Republicans did it, and they were dumbasses for doing it, but that doesn't mean we can ignore the problem. However, if we stay the country will degenerate into years of bloody civil war. If we leave the country will degenerate into years of bloody civil war. there is NO way to prevent the civil war. None. At all. It's like a tire fire. Once it gets going, you are NOT going to put it out. It will burn until it's out of fuel. You have 2 choices. Send your firefighters in where they might get hurt and inhale toxic fumes, and do absolutely nothing towards getting the fire out, or pull 'em back and just watch it burn. Either way, the result in the tire pile is the same, but the 2nd option at least lets you preserve the life and health of your firefighters. Iraq is no different. We've sparked the conflagration. It's going to happen. Nothing will stop it. Why not at least pull our guys back so they don't get hurt any more than they already have? The parallels of this war to Vietnam are becoming more obvious every day. Back then we said "oh we can't pull out, what will they do without us," and it was only when people finally realized that the country was sunk with or without us that we finally pulled out. The fact is that when we stick our nose in where it doesn't belong, bad things happen - especially if we let incompetent boobs that couldn't even lead a kid to the crapper take charge. And now not only does Mr. Bush want to stay in Iraq where we will do precisely no good, he wants to move on to Iran as well. This insanity has got to stop some time - it may as well be now. Oh, and desal75, if you're going to make fun little snips at what those of us in this thread have to say, perhaps you should come out with an opinion of your own. These little quips frankly make you look more like a troll than a debater. If you think I'm seeing the world black and white then please, by all means, educate me. Show me where the grey is. If you think it all depends on what I call palatable, then give us your definition of palatable and tell us your solution. Otherwise you're just taking useless pot shots which might work on Fark, but around here, we're not very impressed by it. Last edited by shakran; 01-15-2007 at 08:28 AM..