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Originally Posted by powerclown
pan, you said it much, much better than I did. I didn't mean power over other people, I meant empowerment of self, ie., recognition and acknowledgement of peers and colleagues at work, friends, family. Maybe respect would have been a better word. Money is pretty self explanatory, and if you say you don't care about it you're either a multimillionaire or you live at home with you parents. Sex is obviously a basic physiological need not unlike sleep or hunger.
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Thank you,
. Like I said I was ready to take what you said apart, but I couldn't, I found myself in complete agreement.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
The part of collectivism that I agree with you the most is care for the sick, infirm, mentally ill, drug addicted and similar social problems. Businesses can take care of themselves - I don't see the need for excessive government interference there. Social issues are another matter. I also think entreprenuership and free trade are essential to any society.
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Absolutely, there must be free enterprise and a trade balance that allows countries mutual benefit not we'll bring your's in relatively cheap while you tax ours out of competition. The only way to advance society is to continually develop better ways to do things. The only truly efficient way to do this is through private enterprise. Government cannot do it, thus the private sector must and should be allowed to without government influence so stifling it hinders progress to a snail's pace.
But government should police the companies enough to make sure the products are safe, the workers make fair wages and benefits and that the surrounding environment is not permanently harmed.
A society is graded and judged by how they treat their poorest, their infirmed and their weakest. Not by the richest.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
I agree with you that no matter the profession, an honest job is an honest job, and people who contribute to society deserve their share of dignity, respect and a living wage. I think this more probable under a system of capitalism. See North Korea for the opposite effect.
Awesome post pan.
I think we agree more than disagree on the matter.
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I agree, Capitalism, in it's true form is the best system we have. The problem is Capitalism eventually promotes excessive and harmful greed, much the same way Marxism and Communism eventually promotes excessive and harmful totalitarianistic governments. Socialism is a good plan for companies, and maybe some small communities but in a large arena cannot work, it hinders progress.
How we avoid the greed in Capitalism is the ultimate problem. Once, we come up with the answer, we're good to go. We need desparately to find the fair balance between labor and management. What we have been doing is allowing one side too much strength then switching over and allowing the other side too much, to where our companies can't compete globally. If we don't find the middle soon we are in serious trouble.... it maybe too late.
Anyway, I ramble.... yes I think we do agree more than disagree... but that comes from GHOUL POWER.