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I was going to say I disagree with this but the more I thought about it the more I realize you are right in many cases not all.

Sex.... everyone wants to have some form of appeal to others... it may not necessarily be the actual act just the idea and having someone flirt with you. Actually, I wouldn't even say sex is the right word.... more just socialization with others is a driving force.

Money.... no matter how you say it "money doesn't mean anything", "I love my job, I don't need to make big money." Money is a definate need in this society. You need money to support yourself, to eat, to satisfy other needs you have.... money whether you admit it or not, is a huge driving force. You need it to satisfy other needs both physical and mental. It's a necessary evil.

Power.... I had issues with this one, was determined to blow it out of the water, but then I realized, you're right. Power can mean all sorts of things. The power to be able to have disposable income, the power to make sure you never starve, the power to move forward, to create your own destiny, to control what you do, learn, see, hear, as an individual. Power didn't have to mean over someone else or outside influences. Power in essence can mean just making sure you have the power to move the way you choose that day.

So, I find myself agreeing that, yes, those 3 reasons are very powerful. But I wouldn't say they are the ONLY 3 reasons or that everyone uses those 3 reasons everday.



However, social collectivism doesn't mean we have to all make the same amount of money, have the same power, have the same ideas, have the same everything. I would argue that social collectivism just means society taking care of those that are weak (whether physically, mentally or spiritually). I believe that people who want to move ahead will, regardless whether or not there is a bigger physical reward for them. My belief is that people will advance themselves based on their inner drives and what they value.

Some people may value love, respect, and being charitable over finances and thus like working at a job such as a store or restaurant or taxicab because they like it. Some people may like working alone and not dealing with others so they become janitors, some people may like to teach others, or help others, or there maybe someone who wants to find the cure to cancer out there. There is no reason society should say "because you want to work this job, even though it is 40 hours a week, you don't deserve a house, or wages that you can live on."

To me that's wrong, if people work 40 hours they deserve to make enough to live on and to own a little piece of the American dream. They deserve dignity, respect and honor, regardless of the profession they have.

So in the end, I don't see "social collectivism" as this evil, nasty, limit how far one can go bs that neocons want people to believe.

I see it more as, allowing those who put the work in, regardless of what the job is, who live life to the best of their ability and who want only as much as they want, their dignity, honor, respect and the ability to make what they need and may want.

It's not limiting the top, it's making sure that everyone has the chance to succeed at what they want.

The cream will always rise, but why keep others down just because they have different values on what is important?

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"