First of all, the only reason I brought this up in THIS thread is because
this thread is about having children, and whether or not it's a worthwhile thing to do... so yeah, i'm not just going off on a tangent. Everyone had already been talking about how fulfilling having a child is, OR how worthwhile it is- there was nothing tangential about anything I posted, it was based completely on the commentary of pretty much everyone who'd posted before me. Feel free to take a look... I believe you were actually the first to use the word "meaningful" and second only to the thread starter in "fulfilling". So yeah, I'm not pulling wars out of my ass- this was the topic at hand.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
It seems like in the first part you're saying essentially that each person finds fulfillment in their own way and then you go on to say that anyone who finds child rearing to be the most fulfilling thing for them is deluded. I think that perhaps it is you who is a bit deluded. You're taking something that you yourself seemingly admit is completely subjective and claiming that people who don't happen to come to the same conclusion as you are somehow wrong. Do you see how that doesn't make any sense?
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Yes. Each person finds fulfillment for
themselves in different ways- you again have misunderstood, however, what I spelled out quite clearly several times over:
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You also aren't reading me accurately- my comparison to other endeavors was not that it is a universal truth that x or y profession/endeavor are always better than having a child for each individual person. What I said was that having a child isn't the most fulfilling thing a person can do- meaning, obviously, that we as people are capable, in general, of much more meaningful things.
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...my point, however, is that if you find raising a child to be "the most fulfilling thing a person (obviously meaning 'anyone') can do", you are sadly mistaken and deluded.
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I'm not sure how else to say the same thing so you can stop misunderstanding me and making the same wrong point over and over.
Once again: I am saying that it is
not "the" most fulfilling thing that any person, every person, all people, everywhere, universally, can do. If you say it's the most fulfilling thing YOU, PERSONALLY, can do, I already said that we all define fulfillment differently, and that's perfectly fine. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that (because all people define fulfillment differently) I take issue when someone asserts that it is a
universal truth that there is
nothing more fulfilling for
any person, every person, all people, everywhere, universally, to do.
I can't figure out why you're still not reading it correctly. Hopefully that helped.
Also, it's so cute when people feel the need to respond by going at a person line for line... it takes out all that pesky "context" and makes things seem easier, doesn't it?
I'm gonna go ahead and ignore the rest of your response because you basically tell me how wrong I am... because you stand by your original opinion... which is not really a response at all, while still insisting I'm childless and clueless. It seems like you think that if you repeat what you've already said, including repeating how wrong you think I am, that it will actually become true. So, I'm sorry to say this conversation has reached a point where forward progress seems impossible and I excuse myself, with a thank you, for the conversation we did have.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
If we have mods to look to as role models on the tfp, well then, i must say that analog, you are a beacon of calm, respectable open mindedness for all of us.
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Aw, thanks
I'm glad you recognize the calm in my tone and the respect I maintained despite being essentially told I was an idiot because I'm childless. So, compliment appreciated!