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Originally Posted by pan6467
RB, be as full of hate, one sided, "I'm better than you and my way of thinking is the only way" and allow your own hatred and self righteousness destroy you....Yet, I also see some who hold onto hate, self righteous, hate mongering bs, who seem to post just to stir the pot up, to flame, to pass off superiority over others. And these people have destroyed this board, taken politics and attitudes to other threads and have hurt TFP and destroyed politics here.
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whoa tiger!!! i almost posted something earlier to this thread, but popped the back button. for starters
pan, you know i love you and all...but don't you think this is a little strongly worded? how is
roach full of hatred? his perspective is definitely skewed out of the normal playing field of american political discourse, so is it his rejection of the language and framing inherent in most political discussion? is self-righteousness a result of a (potentially) over-educated lexicon? i'd really have to take umbrage with the concept that
roach only posts to "flame and and pass off superiority to others." i don't think he's any more guilty of that than any of us have been. i just went back and re-read the posts in this thread, and while i can see where you could come to a statement like that you just made, i also think you have to bring some negativity with you to arrive at that conclusion. to a certain extent, i think everyone is so programmed to see insult when they get into political discussions that you start to imagine it a bit where it isn't. i don't think
roach is any more arrogant about his positions than anyone else who thinks they have a valid point.
i also think you hit the other idea i had earlier about this thread...and that is that some come to these boards looking for conversation to help them shoot the shit throughout the day, and some come looking for discussion to probe and understand issues. i think the contrast between the two desires of the posters causes some of the issues on a board like politics. some people just want to vent from the political positions, but others want to take some time with it. so longer posts (hey
host 
) become annoying with all the information or constant backtracking of assumptions (
roach). it just depends on why people are posting. i don't know, i've never seen tfpolitics exist in any significantly different form than the current one. however,
i'd like to think we can arrive at a place such as
m^2 is shooting for...where the labels get finally get boring. i think with the same characters hanging around, and as the posts become repetitious...there is a chance that people will break out of the traditional posting style just because its boring to tears to argue the same horseshit over and over. maybe it would be more fun to argue basic positions for a while, maybe not. the reposts from cnn / the ap and the ensuing standard arguments from the left/right angle are pretty much predictable, in my opinion.