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Originally Posted by willravel
If you find out that your faith is placed in something falable, what reason is there to keep your faith? Also, when I say "called into question", I mean applied to science and logic. The bible automatically fails that test.
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I can't really think of a good answer to this, except to say that people find a reason. There are plenty of non-literalists who still hold to the Bible to some degree. They find a reason. Even if it's, deep down, something as unimpressive as wish fulfillment or something as vague as historical context. (But maybe IL has a clearer idea of such a context.)
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Not at all. That's the same thing as the "we can't understand God" argument. It's not an argument, it's a supernatural excuse, and all circular arguments about the supernatural end the same way: the faithful say "it's a matter of faith", and the non-faithful say, "I win".
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You say "supernatural excuse" as if it's not a viable conclusion. I never said it was a logical conclusion. Neither is "the bible is infallible and slavery is okay", but you offered that as a possibility.
But more importantly, I'm not seeing how my "supernatural excuse"
isn't an argument. It's an argument for a possible interpretation of this world with the assumption of an omnibenevolent/potent/scient being. You can evaluate it for internal logic - and I think it checks out - and then stop short of giving the God assumption a stamp of approval.
You want to argue that there is no logical proof for God that works? Cool, start a new thread, and it'll be a short one because I'll agree with it. But this is something different, and something perfectly counterarguable. It's an excuse involving the supernatural, but there's nothing supernatural about its workings.
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Well this thread is about radical Christian Jerry Falwell, so the bible is a good place to start.
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But you'll need to go much further than just the start in order to justify an incredible statement like "either slavery is okay, or God doesn't exist".