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Old 12-07-2006, 09:03 PM   #35 (permalink)
Willravel
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Originally Posted by shakran
you might be surprised to note that while minors can own property that their parents can't dispose of, they are not entitled to keep their paycheck. Caselaw has found that, since the parents are responsible for supporting the minor, they can take some or all of the minor's pay in compensation.
If the paycheck is already spent on the *insert license, tv, video games, etc. here*, then the parents can't take it. That's the point.
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Originally Posted by shakran
So if my kid EVER decided to call the police when I took his TV away then 1) he would never have another dime under my roof that was not dispensed by me and controlled by me and 2) he could keep the TV, but would not be allowed to use MY electricity to run it. And since the little jerk is now broke, he can't buy his own electricity either. Checkmate.
Under those circumstances, it would be very easy for your kid to become an emancipated minor. If that happened, he could actually take some of your paycheck.
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Additionally many areas do not consider it stealing if the property remains within the residence/business of the owner. Store security guards cannot nab you for stealing something until you actually try to walk out of the store with it. So as long as you simply relocate the TV to another room, you'll be fine.
Doubtful. If I was renting out a room from someone and he or she took my tv and put it in their room behind a locked door my, it'd still be stealing.
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Originally Posted by shakran
I will, however, agree with you on the food issue. I don't believe in sending kids to bed without dinner. For one thing, it makes food appear more valuable. The psychological reasoning the kid thinks about when you do this is "Food must be very desirable because they're taking it away from me to punish me." Putting too much value on food can lead to overeating issues later in life.
Agreed 100%.

This might be turning into a threadjack...this is my last response in this thread on this subject.

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake
I wouldn't. Unless the parent does something truly dispicable to the child such as breaking bones, drawing blood or leaving bruises (although that is acceptable if the leather belt was used too extensively). The discipline is up to the parent is none of your, mine, or anyone else's business. It should only be brought into attention of "proper authorities" if the child's physical and mental health suffers as a consequence of these punishments.
That's simply not true. Most parents are complete idiots who have no business rasing a cat or dog, let alone a child. I dare you to look at George W. Bush and tell me his parents didn't fuck up.

If you can't parent and you're going to create a fucked up kid and you clearly don't care, you shoudln't be allowed to ruin your kid's life. In other words: speech is a right, religon is a right, free press is a right, raising kids in whatever way you see fit is NOT a right. Also, sending your kid to bed without dinner more than a few times can effect the mental health of your kid.
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When I'm talking about taking a license away from a child, I mean it for something actually worthy of such punishment. Taking it away for a missed curfew is a bit excessive. Taking it away for driving drunk, actually witnessing wreckless driving on the part of your kid, or them using their car to dissapear for a while without any notification is a more than vaild punishment.
Contact the authorities if you know your kid is breaking the rules of the road or are stealing your car.
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Again, you're being a bit excessive in your examples. Sending your child to bed without food for one night is nowhere near as excessive as drowning them or exhausting their mental health by depriving them of sleep.
You're depriving your kid of a necessity of any life form: food. That's the same as any other necessity: shelter, oxygen, water, or sleep. That's where my examples came from.
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Sometimes talking doesn't help and you know it. There are times where a punishment is nessecary for the child to realize the wrongs of his ways. This could range from barring them from watching TV for a few days to forcing them to stay in the room studying (while taking away all the "fun" things such as books, videogames, TV, phone, etc) and letting them to come out only to go to the bathroom or eat. Sometimes physical force is needed as well. Wether you want to believe it or not, when done in moderation, a belt does wonders in straightening up a kid.
I've never had to use physical violence on my kid and I never will. I know it down to my bones. I've essentially already raised a few kids, 2 cousins and a little brother, and I've never had to resort to physical violence. I never had to starve them. I never had to do anything but talk or maybe time outs for little ones. If you consistantly use discussion as your tool of choice in dealing with kids, and you make them discuss with you, you're more likely to create a little person that can think and reason on their own without creating another generation that thinks an adult hitting a child is okay.

Adults hitting kids is bad. I mean defend yourself if attacked and all that jazz, but an adult hitting a child is wrong.

Last edited by Willravel; 12-07-2006 at 09:18 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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