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Originally Posted by willravel
Let's say, hypothetically, that a parent will send their child to bed without food a few times a month. They hit their son, not too badly, but they use a leather belt. Let's say that when this kid turns 16 he gets a drivers license; he studies, pays for, and passses the test. He gets a job and buys his first car. He stays out past his curfew one night, so his father takes his car and license.
I'd question the shit out of that household environment.
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I wouldn't. Unless the parent does something truly dispicable to the child such as breaking bones, drawing blood or leaving bruises (although that is acceptable if the leather belt was used too extensively). The discipline is up to the parent is none of your, mine, or anyone else's business. It should only be brought into attention of "proper authorities" if the child's physical and mental health suffers as a consequence of these punishments.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Stealing a license from someone is wrong. If the kid bought his own video game system or TV, then they can't take those either. The parents can simply shut off the power to the kid's room if they don't want them watching TV or playing video games. If, however, the kid wants to drive in his own car with his own license and his own gas, car insurance, etc., the parents can't do much. The kid can't break the legal curfew or any rules of the road, or else he becomes the problem of the police.
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When I'm talking about taking a license away from a child, I mean it for something actually worthy of such punishment. Taking it away for a missed curfew is a bit excessive. Taking it away for driving drunk, actually witnessing wreckless driving on the part of your kid, or them using their car to dissapear for a while without any notification is a more than vaild punishment.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Why stop at food? Maybe the kid should be deprived of shelter for a night and be made to sleep outside. Or maybe the kid should be deprived of oxygen by dunking him under water and just barely give him a chance to get a breat for 10 minutes. Or maybe the kid should be deprived of sleep and you can play old Iron Butterfly albums really loud all night so the kid can't sleep.
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Again, you're being a bit excessive in your examples. Sending your child to bed without food for one night is nowhere near as excessive as drowning them or exhausting their mental health by depriving them of sleep.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Why not actually address the misbehavior? If the kid is rude, teach them the consequences of being rude. If the kid is yelling, teach them the consequences for yelling. Parents are responsible for preparing their kids for the world.
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Sometimes talking doesn't help and you know it. There are times where a punishment is nessecary for the child to realize the wrongs of his ways. This could range from barring them from watching TV for a few days to forcing them to stay in the room studying (while taking away all the "fun" things such as books, videogames, TV, phone, etc) and letting them to come out only to go to the bathroom or eat. Sometimes physical force is needed as well. Wether you want to believe it or not, when done in moderation, a belt does wonders in straightening up a kid.