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Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567
Its not the US, its a private establishment inside of the US. if they held him down and continued to taser him, if they had tasered a sensitive spot, if they had pushed him back down and kept tasering him, that’s abuse, but they tasered him, let him respond, and then since he did not comply, he was tasered again.
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Whether the place is public or private is irrelevant to the question of whether the use of weapons was justified. I can't agree that it was acceptable to use the taser even once. Using weapons is using weapons, it's the next level of force and isn't justified unless the suspect makes it justified by presenting a physical threat.
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Because most are smart enough to follow directions, he was asked to leave and he went limp. His arms may have been close to his body, we don’t know. People that are standing are easy to watch where there hands are, unlike someone who is limp on the ground. When the police bend down to cuff / restrain someone on the ground, they are off balance and vulnerable. that is why they have suspects place there hands either all the way stretched out, or on top of the head, this guy was limp and his hands where most likely in an unsafe position (from the cops perspective)
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If they didn't see a weapon in in hand, if he didn't physically assault the officers, the position of his hands cannot possibly justify the use of weapons in my mind.
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I don’t see this as torture, as some one who has been tasered, I can tell you definitively, that it is not painful, it is uncomfortable, not in a pain sense, but in a 'why can't I control my limb' sense. I still have not heard of a good alternative solution to this problem, all I hear is they cops should have picked him up and carried him out; this is not safe for the cops.
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It's their JOBS to be in potentially unsafe situations. Any traffic stop is an unsafe situation, anyone could pull a gun out of the glovebox and shoot the officer before he has a chance to ask for a license and registration! That doesn't justify Rodney King either. Now sure, Rodney King was a lot worse than this, but we have to fight the small fights too.
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as for the trespassing, I think you may be wrong here, if some one is on my property uninvited, and I ask them to leave, and they don’t, I will call the cops, and they will make him leave, by force if necessary, this is no different then what we had in the library, he was asked to leave and they had to resort to violence because asking did not help. If some one is on my property and I feel threatened, I can take most actions within reason, if that includes force legally I’ll be fine, granted I don’t grossly overstep.
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There's a big difference between physically removing someone from a place, what the UCPD should have done, and assaulting someone with violent force and weapons.
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As for the legal’s, yes this should be investigated, we still don’t know the start of the confrontation; we have a crappy video from a ways away. Maybe his falling was perceived as a threat, or he had one hand in his pocket and they tasered him because they thought he was going for a weapon and was just waiting for a cop to get close. Maybe he did have his hands and arms outstretched, and the cops could have easily apprehended him... we don’t know. All I want is the benefit of the doubt until the investigation is complete. to many people hate cops just cause there cops, yes there are bad cops, but there also allot of damn good ones and I don’t want them to be handy capped just because some whinny kid wants to throw a fit.
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And what, we don't need our 4th amendment protection from unreasonable search and seizure because it might hinder the police in finding criminals too? Our enumerated rights exist precisely because it's not a perfect world where the government always does the noble and proper thing. Although I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who really believe we don't need the 4th amendment, that's very disturbing.