Okie dokie, here we go.
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Originally Posted by analog
Don't get up in arms- no one is forcing your child to get it, stay calm.
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What child? I wasn't aware I had a child - nope, Analog, not a parent, just someone who has worked with other people's kids for the past 20 years in ministry, both christian and non christian. I've counseled kids about sex when their own parents hadn't done so, dealt with pregnant teens, worked with incensed parents about their sexually active teens, though these parents had never spoken to their kids about sex.
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Originally Posted by analog
That's true, you can get cervical cancer without HPV, but I've never seen anywhere that the AMA has "pushed" this vaccine to prevent cervical cancer- just that it innoculates against HPV, which often DOES lead to cervical cancer.
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Yep, my bad - I typed this after watching one of those commercials that unequivically (sp?) stated that this new vaccine guaranteed against cervical cancer, and I attributed it to the AMA, even though it was a drug company piece. I have seen an AMA-backed commercial though. But I was out of line on this one, so again, my bad on the AMA.
My beef with these commericals and the general "anti cancer" push on this vaccine is that there are truly those who have cervical cancer but don't have HPV, as evidenced by a dear friend of mine. Fortunately, she was able to have treatment for it and is now cancer free, as are many who have never had HPV but have had cervical cancer.
Yes, I know the stats about HPV causing cervical cancer, but it's not the only cause of cervical cancer!!! And to advertise a vaccine that guards against only two strains of HPV to be a "vaccine against cervical cancer", is more than a bit misleading.
What if young girls who get this vaccine decide that they are immune to cervical cancer, therefore, they don't need Pap smears when they become sexually active? Pap smears are the main guard against cervical cancer becoming a life-stealer.
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Originally Posted by analog
Teaching abstinence only is setting yourself up for failure. They need to be taught of the consequences of their actions, how to protect themselves. These days, here in reality, preaching abstinence only is an archaic gesture. I would also mention that preaching abstinence only has lead to a trend of teens engaging in anal sex, in order to preserve virginity, because it "doesn't count". That's what you get when you substitute EDUCATION for your own misguided desires to tell them to simply not do it.
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Wow - I've seen it all now. So often on this forum I've seen so many posts that say, in effect, "if you're not ready to deal with the consequenses of sex, then don't have it", and this by a varied lot of posters, mostly on the Sexuality thread. So if adults are being counseled not to have sex if they're not ready, why are you saying that kids should be free to do so if they wish? They're kids, for God's sake. They don't know their own hearts, minds or bodies, so what makes them ready to go for it? Why shouldn't they be encouraged to abstain from sex and be guided by their parents in this way?
You seem to be saying that kids cannot be taught to reign in their desires, that they're only going to be driven by instincts, so hey, just give them condoms and tell them to be safe. How sad that we think so little of them to think they can't rise above and exercise a little SELF CONTROL. That's what sets us apart from animals, isn't it? Animals are driven by instinct to mate, but humans have self control....
As far as abstinence, I happen to agree with Planned Parenthood on this:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/bir...abstinence.htm
As a side note, back in the mid 90's I read a survey done by Coca-cola of church kids in the UK, and it said that 96 percent of the kids surveyed wanted to learn about sex from their parents, but 98 percent of church parents wanted someone else to teach their kids about sex. (yes it's a strange survey for Coke, but they do all kinds of surveys)
I don't doubt this at all - If I could give you a link I would, but the only like I have is my notes that are in Thailand right now.
Yep, education is the key, but when you're educating kids, don't leave out the fact that they can choose to not have sex if they wish, and that it would be absolutely fail-safe in guarding against disease and pregnancy.
Yes, abstinence is failsafe in practice, if it's not just belief. Just like a belief that condoms will keep you safe as long as you remember to put them on or as long as they don't break.