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Originally Posted by Seaver
Yes there was, there were plenty. The problem is we never supported them like we said, and they all ended up dead... along with their entire family. There were plenty of revolutionary forces throughout Saddam's regeim, it's not as if they were happy.
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They didn't all end up dead under Saddam. In fact, the largest center of insurgence against Saddam - right before the invasion and subsequent civil war - was in Fallujah (until we killed them all with white phosphorus and DU munitions). The hilarious part is that Fallujah wanted freedom from Saddam's dictatorship, then when we invaded their country and forced them to accept our form of government that makes it easy for us to control them, they rebeled against us. The difference between us and Saddam is that we massacred all of them, and Saddam only kidnapped a few.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
We can not pull out right now. The Iraqi Army is gaining strength and is getting better. From what my friends who serve say, they are starting to carry out missions with Americans only providing support when needed. Once we rebuild the strength and confidence of the Iraqi Army, we can start withdrawing. We've already done that completely to a couple major cities, we need to keep that going. Once we leave a civil war WILL erupt, the strength of the war can not be measured at this point, no one knows. We have to ensure the Iraqi Army will be strong enough to maintain the peace as an autonomous force.
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We can pull out right now. Even Bush wil have to admit that soon, or risk damning his legacy and any hope of Republican control over the White House in 2008. Did you read the article?
** 71% of all Iraqis now want the U.S. out of Iraq.
** 61% of all Iraqis SUPPORT insurgent attacks on U.S. troops.
That makes us INVADERS. That means that we can't beat the insurgency without beating Iraq, and we can't use Saddam as a feable excuse this time.
We need to leave right now, forgive all Iraq debt, and formally apologize to the Iraqi people for all the invasion, civilian massacres, and basiaclly starting a civil war. We need to allow them to run their own elections, so that they don't have to elect a puppet government. We need to allow them to own their own oil and all the profits from it. While we should put restrictions on their build up of arms, we should allow them to have the ability for reasonable defence.
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What is never understood about the MSM is that once we leave many of the militias and insurgents will disband. Many militias hate Al Qaeda and other Islamofacist units more than us, and frequently give us information about them. Once we leave, I believe the majority of these militias will throw their support with the government.
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If they want their country to flourish, it will take work. If they are unwilling to work, they will have no one to blame but themselves for the resulting problems. Right now, the US is mostly to blame for the insurgency and fighting.
I call it natural selection of nations: the strong will survive.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
So how'd that work for Afghanistan?
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We bombed them, destroyed their government, and left warlord in charge.
We aren't doing that in Iraq. A government is in place, Iraqi troops are trained (for years now), and our presence is to blame for most of the fighting.