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Wow. This whole thread has been a clusterfuck of misguided, angry finger-pointing.
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obviously, all of us who are blaming the cops are wrong and you're right. how 'misguided' of us.
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Examiner- trash. Agitator- trash. After looking at the articles on both, as well as looking at their sites and other articles, I can say those things for certain, and add that if their "publications" were printed on toilet paper, I wouldn't even use them to wipe my ass.
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And you are the supreme authority on what is and isn't trash media?
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First of all, as has been said, the SWAT and police don't proceed with raids without the approval of a judge. Draw your attention where it belongs, instead of the usual and pathetic practice of automatically jumping all over the police. Go after the judge. The judge is the person who authorizes raids, based on the evidence given them by the police. So quit with the railing against the police for the "reason" of it all.
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As I said before, we've given up on judges. They are useless as servants of the people. The only thing most of them do now is perform as tools of the bloated government machine.
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Secondly, it doesn't matter what the circumstances are- a police officer is going to shoot you if you are pointing a gun at them, especially in a high-risk situation like this. For any person saying she "feared for her life", I will readily and reasonably return the favor that the officer felt the same way, and is compelled to protect the lives of the other officers by following correct procedure.
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which, of course, means that as a cop, one should be given every benefit of the doubt any time a gun is pointed at them and they should be given 100x more latitude in their decision making concerning their shooting people, whereas, a civilian in the same situation is an incompetent, bumbling, foolhardy, ignorant, and totally untrained in anything concerning firearms and self defense yet is expected to know, in less time, that one's home is being invaded by armed thugs or law enforcement executing a lawful no-knock warrant. Apologist much?
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Ballistics gear or not, they're putting their lives on the line, and it's ridiculous to say that protective gear changes anything when a weapon is pointed at them.
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which is why law enforcement are most always exempted from laws that prohibit conduct or possession of such items like body armor or automatic weapons.....because their lives are on the line......so answer this question. If police, who put their lives on the line all the time, are exempted from the weapons laws that we have to adhere to....why do so many of us die when they do not?
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Apart from the first part, the "why they were there"- which is to be directed at the judge, not the cops serving the raid- the second bit was unavoidable. It doesn't matter who you are to the community, or personally, or your intentions... if you are holding a gun pointed at an officer, you will be shot. Simple. The danger of their job does not allow for second-guessing or "waiting" to see what the person's intentions are. That's an unavoidable fact.
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Is the officers life worth more than your life? worth more than mine? worth more than your mothers life? Again, why do more of US die than them?
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And if you have a problem with that, then take it up with the government as a change to police procedure, not with the individual cops following completely standard police protocol. Any change to that policy will only result in one thing: more dead cops.
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and more dead cops is CERTAINLY something that we should never have, which is why it's counterproductive to try to change things. The second we speak up about it, we have to deal with people like you who preach on and on about the holiness of law enforcement and how we should revere them for their selfless sacrifice instead of trying to save innocent lives in the course of the war on drugs.
What you should try doing is renaming the 'war on (fill in the blank)' to the war on americans....because that's what it really is.