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Old 11-21-2006, 09:51 AM   #105 (permalink)
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My last post included this:
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Originally Posted by host
.....I'm much more troubled by the ones who get to decide....for all of the rest of us....who keeps the right to marry or to form legal unions, the right to insurance benefits, to inheritance, to be hired or fired, based solely on sexual orientation;

....the ones who get to decide these things....to make them law....when their public ambition triumphs over who they are....and they vote as the person who they pretend to be. <b>I want to know the people who legislate away my rights and the rights of my friends. I want to know who they are, and why they are doing that. I want to know if they are doing it for money, if they are of "sound mind" when they vote, if they are secure in who they are</b>......
This was the response....followed by endorsements from pigglet and from highthief:
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Originally Posted by loquitur
......Host, I don't understand your post other than that you're angry at people who see the world differently from the way you do. You say you want to know who these people are who have different opinions from you - well, suppose they were all totally blameless, upstanding, non-hypocritical types who still voted against what you perceive as the correct position -- does that change the result one bit? Of course not. You have not made yourself the slightest bit better off. If everyone who voted against you was some sort of saint, they STILL will have voted against you. So what does prying into other people's lives gain you? ZERO.......
...our conversation comes in the context of closeted gay citizens, joining, supporting....contributing time, energy, money.....and engaging in persuasion of others to do likewise, to support a political party that views their homosexuality as a pathology....a deviance.....a "sin".

These secretly gay folks rise to prominence in this party, and support it's platform of singling out homosexuals for reduced rights, and exclusion from equal protection. The agenda of their party is to remove "sexual orientation" as a class description that is afforded civil rights protections, and to actually relegate anyone but heterosexuals to second class citizenship.

The closeted legislator devotes part of his political life to advancing this anti-gay agenda.....he votes for the legislation that will exclude homosexuals from equal rights and equal protection as a class that is discriminated against.

It has never been easy to be openly gay. Even in these enlightened times, gay people still suffer physical assault, occasionally fatal, merely because of their sexual orientation. Our closeted republican congressmen have witnessed the persecution....the harassment, bullying, and humiliation of homosexuals who have been too "matter of fact"....too open, about who they are, to the rest of the world.

The movement to "out" these congressmen is led by homosexual activists like Mike Rogers at http://www.blogactive.com/

There is no advocacy for outing closeted gay congressmen who do not specifically promote an anti-gay legislative agenda. Voting for anti-gay legislation....such as prohibiting adoption of children in DC by homosexuals, or to exclude sexual orientation from a workplace anti-discrimination category, is grounds for outing, if you are determined to be a closeted gay congressman.

Merely supporting the republican party anti-gay agenda is not grounds for outing. One must be, or work for a closeted gay congressman who actually casts anti-gay votes in congress.

These congressmen are closeted because they know that it is difficult and risky to reputation and personal safety to come out of the closet, yet they make the decision to make it even more difficult to live an openly gay life in American society.....to be hired and earn a living under the same assumptions of fair and equal treatment by employers, landlords, lenders, realtors, school administrators, and law enforcement, as heterosexuals live under.

We live in a day where the societal reforms of more than forty years ago are too casually dismissed. Many of us "know" that there is no reason or justication for affirmative action programs, just as we "know" that outing closeted gay congressmen "only hurts others".

Formerly....we had greater empathy. If we were not a racial minority, or if we were not gay, or female, we did not presume, as vigorously, to dismiss the challenges that non-white protestant heterosexual males faced in their everyday lives.....in school, in the workplace.....boarding a bus and choosing a seat....buying or renting a residence in a "good neighborhood".

Now....we presume to know all of that....even without personally experiencing it. That J6P over there.....he's/she's (insert whatever class description here) ....he "made it".... the rest of 'em can, too....

We are engaged in an argument that I think requires empathy. If you have never been chased, spat at, punched in the face, embarassed, or excluded, simply because you were perceived as "not heterosexual", why would you take the time to post so much in favor of protection of the sexual identity of folks intent on making life as a homosexual.....harder to live, via personally legislating to make it harder?

Consider that, for these closeted gay congressmen, living openly gay was perceived by them to be too dificult, evn before their own efforts to legislate more difficulty into living that way.....living openly as who you are.

I think that you have it backwards. It isn't "none of our business", who the closeted anti-gay members of congress are. It's "none of our business" how the homosexual community and it's supporters choose to react to these hypocrits and their political party with an agenda that works against homosexuals. No one is "outed" without a chance (numerous opportunities) to initiate a discussion about who they are, and what they stand for. This is not balckmail. They make the choice to portray themselves to be just like any other anti-gay republican legislator or staffer.

<b>After they've worked to create a more difficult and unfriendly society for gay people to live in, isn't it only fitting that the rest of the gay community makes an effort to make the closeted gay politicians who serve an anti-gay agenda, live in that unfriendly society, too?</b>
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