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I'm a little bit surprised that the no one got physical with the cops. That's really pretty stupid to pull in front of a bunch of students.
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Are you serious? You are actually suggesting that civilians get involved in a police control situation? All that would have accomplished is ANOTHER person being tazed, or WORSE.
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The cops got mad and tazered from anger, and that is the line between right and wrong use of force.
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At no point durring the watching of the video did ANY of the officers respond in an angry way. They spoke calmly, and with control.
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He wasn't leaving, that was the issue, he refused both the library staff, and the campus police.
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Your information is a little off. He was leaving AFTER he had been asked several times by library officials, and when the police went to escort him out to verify ID, he wanted to THEN just leave. It is Federal policy on ANY university campus to Identify the potential student. He evidently refused to provide this information, and when an officer grabbed his arm when he was THEN walking away, he jerked his arm from the grasp of the officer. Ask ANY officer, if a police officer has grabbed your arm, and you have jerked away, this is considered RESISTING ARREST, and is punishable by law. REGARDLESS of the situation. If the student had just followed direction, and given the officers his information, they could have EASILY identified him as a student, and no further action taken.
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but the fact is that this kid was a STUDENT.
AT UCLA.
he was a student who forgot his id.
dont you think that getting tazered by cops is a bit excessive as a penalty for forgetting your fucking id?
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His problem stemmed from the fact that in VIOLATION OF POSTED UNIVERSITY POLICY, he was unable to PROVE that he was a student, and then REFUSED to comply with direction.
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so the kid forgot his id: for christ's sake, it would have been no problem to check his status--for example, most computer terminals in uni-libraries are password protected and you need to sign in to get on. if the kid did not have a uni id and password, how would he have been able to use the machine he was working on? the library has a circulation system--his name could have been searched and his status confirmed within a couple seconds. the fucking cops could have checked his status any number of ways.
this kid was not a trespasser--that entire line of jsutification is worthless:
he was and is a STUDENT AT UCLA.
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Again, the students are RESPONSABLE for providing PROOF, knowing a password and id name is not sufficient proof of who he is as far as I am concerned. I know my brother's password and login from his school, So I could just as easily walk in and log in to a computer at the library there. Does that mean I am a student with an ID TO SHOW?...NO.
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It seems like they could have just cuffed him and taken him away more tactfully. Hell, my other roommate was arrested just for standing around while police were arresting other people. He wasn't tased, beaten, or anything. They just cuffed him and tossed him in the car. Simple. Why was this drama queen given so much stage time?
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He was asked politely by the campus police to leave. Once he refused, it became a violation of school policy. If you pay attention to the video, he WAS handcuffed, and they attempted to get him to leave on his own tow feet. He REFUSED, and continued to RESIST ARREST when asked to get up and walk away. He sure had enough power in his body to scream at the police and curse them...Sorry, after being tasered myself in training courses you can EASILY be able to stand within seconds of the taser control releasing you. that is why tasers have set limits, and are able to be used multiple times, because they are ineffective after the charge is depleted. If you also look at history of arrests and detaining, there are TONS of lawsuits out there from people who sue police for picking them up and escorting them out while cuffed, and causing them a sprained wrist. any way you go about it, ANY PERSON who is crazy enough to RESIST AREEST must be ready to face the consequences.
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He was already on his way out. I guess you missed that part. He may have refused to leave when asked the first time, but after they left he gathered his shit and was headed out. Whether or not he refused to begin with is immaterial when the point of the situation is he was on his way out when grabbed. Your argument is that he refused to leave, period. That is incorrect.
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OK, so because he FINALLY AGREED to walk out, the police shouldn't attemt to detain him for proof of ID? Or should we let someone who can't prove he has a right to be there just walk right out and wander around a COLLEGE CAMPUS?
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they had choices about how to handle this--and they obviously made a really really bad choice in this case---there really is nothing you or anyone else can say that would justify using a fucking taser on a college student because he forgot his id card. nothing at all. so there is maybe no point in continuing the conversation, because fundamentally, it no longer is one.
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AGAIN, he was NOT tasered for forgetting his ID card, he was tasered for not comlying with direction by campus personell and police....
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One more thing, the circumstances are not clear yet, if his story is completely true, he was leaving, he was not resisting,
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As I had said before, when an officer grabs your arm, even IF he shouldn't, and you jerk away, it is AUTOMATICLY RESISTING ARREST... PERIOD!
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*add* I just watched the video again. It sounds like after he started screaming "don't touch me!" the cops reply "stand up". I'm guessing he must have sat right down or something like that which means he wasn't leaving or complying anymore.
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According to the lawyer of the student, the student HIMSELF told the lawyer he lied down on the floor and REFUSED to move.
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Not that I put too much stock in department issued reports, I have to wonder why the police just didn't cuff him when he went limp, then lift his dumb ass up and walk him out? Could it be that they wanted to jack him up with a taser to 'force' him to comply to their orders?
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Look at the video again, they DID cuff him, and he remained limp and refusing to comply even AFTER he was cuffed.
These are my personal opinions, and my statements are based on personal knowledge and experiences in life, as well as my own personal beliefs.
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Oh God, I hope not. This is quickly becoming the big joke on campus. I went to a party last night where one of the hosts was making an announcement. She said: "Listen up or I'll taser you" at which point everyone started laughing and some kids started pulling out their ids and screaming "here's your patriot act". I'm just waiting for the "Got taser?" t-shirts now. Lots of students are doing impersonations of the student, "screaming like a little girl" whenever something is not going their way: EX: at the end of the party, as the guests were leaving, one kid "went limp" and did a friggin' hilarious impersonation while other kids started "zapping" him with their cell phones saying, "get up, get up".
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What scares me the most is that THESE people are our future America....Makes me want to buy that Island off the coast of Costa Rica again....