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Old 11-19-2006, 11:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by ratbastid

The theory goes that 80% of consequences stem from 20% of causes.
If this definition of the Pareto Principle is accurate, then that means that there is a 100% of consequences as well as a 100% of causes.

A worded formula for this would be that 100% of consequences are the result of 100% of causes.

Is this accurate?

If it is, then the formula could also say that 80% of consequences are the result of 20% of causes.

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

If you could identify the "vital few" 20% and only took those actions, you could theoretically realize 80% of the result you'd realize by taking 100% of these hypothetical actions.
I have identified my "vital few" as my focus on the goals I want accomplished (20% of my efforts.) Having done that, then theoretically, I have accounted for 80% of the result, which I have identified as success, I would have realized by taking 100% of my actions, which I have defined as efforts.


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Originally Posted by ratbastid
It's commonly misused to imply that the same outcomes can be realized with 20% of the effort--which isn't at all what the theory says.
This is not what I am saying. I am looking at my effort as a whole, because effort is whatever I put into it. Then, out of whatever amount I decide to apply, I am defining that my focus on my goals is the 20%.

I am not saying that all I have to do is place 20% of my effort and I will get 80% of my success rate. I am saying that specificaly "the focus on my goals" will account for 80% of whatever output my success is.

I am not picking on you ratbastid, it is just that you have the most understanding of the Pareto Princapal thus far so I am explaining myself based upon my understanding of your understanding.

Realize that I have not done much research on the Pareto Principal, my beliefs are based off of material I have heard. Including your explanation.

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Originally Posted by ASU2003
I saw that Larry King, and it is an interesting concept. It is kind of like the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People book. You don't really need to plan out your day, you just need to apply yourself to areas that will make your life better.
I own the book but have to finish my current read before starting it. Maybe it will move up a few slots in the queue.


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Originally Posted by iccky
It's important to note that the Pareto Principle is NOT some kind of scientific law, but rather a rule-of-thumb principle that is easy to misuse. It was not developed by famous economist Pareto. It makes intuitive sense, but doesn't necessarily apply in all situations.
According to Wikipedia: "management thinker Joseph M. Juran" discovered the Pareto Principal.

Also according to Wikipedia a man by the name of Richard Koch teaches how to apply this principal in all walks of life, so I am not the first person to apply this stuff.

I have also read about the Principal in my Operations Management book used in Total Quality Management (TQM.) You figure if multi-billion dollar coorporations use this principle, it has more credibility than just a "rule-of-thumb."

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Originally Posted by iccky
I point this out because the real danger I see in self-help phenomenon like this is when we start to treat them like scientific law. What the authors offer is that this is a way of looking at life that helped them, and might help you.
Right, but this particular self-help method that I am using is rooted in from Scientific Law. The Law of Attraction.


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Originally Posted by Sweetpea

I just have one question.

Are you happy?
Sometimes yes, but happiness is not permanant, it is an emotion. Emotions only last in the human body for like 8 seconds before another emotion can take its place.

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Originally Posted by Sweetpea
If you feel following this program is going to make you a happier, more fulfilled person, then by all means, follow it.
Which is why I am currently implementing it in my life.

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Originally Posted by Sweetpea
it appears to me though... that you are looking for something in it that you think you are lacking in your life.
Yes, structure. At the moment, I have a lot of freedom, which means I have a lot of free time on my hands. It is difficult for me to be productive with that time. I see life as something that I do not have very much of. If I do not have a skeleton of time to place myself into, then I will spend more than half of my time contemplating what I want to do with that time, thus wasting a lot of it.

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Originally Posted by little_tippler

Just one little question - where does work fit into all this?
For now work falls under buffer. It makes it so I have liquid finances to distribute where I choose in the future.

However work is not the only way to make money, which is why we "work" right?

You can have fun playing poker, I personally do not, and come out with money in the end. But that creates a profession of being a poker player, which becomes a "job," which is grounds for an entire new thread.

I am in the works of starting my own business, so "work" will not be much of a factor. It will just be life.

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