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Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567
I would definitely say better safe then sorry, I’d rather have some guy tasered then a cop stabbed, especially because a taser causes no real lasting results, they have an extremely low mortality and injury rate, there was more risk from dragging him out then having him tasered and walking out on his own.. That being said, the taser may not have been necessary. A lot of things are still not known. Was this on the first floor, or would the officers had to drag him down 5 flights of stairs, risking injury to both the officers and the guy? Was he going to stay limp, or start thrashing around.
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But with the taser vs. stabbing - isn't that a false hypothetical? I mean, there's no evidence he had a knife. I don't see any violent behavior described that would make this that type of confrontation. I guess I don't understand where that supposition comes from - although I agree I'd rather have one person tased than one person stabbed, regardless of who the tasee and stabee would have been.
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Originally Posted by dilbert
And pigglet, the issue was not having ID, it was refusing to leave because he had no ID. if I go to a bar, and forget my ID, and I get carded, I’ll be asked to leave, or they may just call the cops, if I tell them to screw themselves and stay, I’m asking for trouble.
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I guess this one of those places where the details will shake out. Some say he was leaving, some say he wasn't. If he wasn't leaving, why use something that incapacitates...doesn't that make it harder to leave? I didn't see evidence of a stand off in this stuff - but a situation where he didn't actually start to leave until the cops show up. I'd think that happens all the time. As someone mentioned, is there actually any evidence to this guy having mental problems or something? Something just isn't adding up - I'll give you that.
I kind of think that using the cuffs might have been better from a pr perspective...even if you put the taser on a setting equivalent to a calf massage, its going to look bad in front of a bunch of students in a crowd at a university. What is the reaction of the alumus / parents to all of this?
I can certainly understand the need for ID's - that seems to have been the impetus for this situation, and if there is any actual race/ethnicity based selection criteria, perhaps a cover for discrimination (not saying that happened, but it is interesting...were other students asked to leave as well? Was he the only person in the library without an ID?). Was the guy showing any other signs of interest? Were other patrons uncomfortable around him based on his behavior or whatnot, and this provided a screen to remove a disruption? There's just a lot of things that we don't know. I've just been in and around schools for a long time, and I've never seen an ID policy or student removal from premises handled this way, nor have I heard about it - but that's anecdotal evidence. It'll shake out at this point, with all the coverage.